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i support sanctity of this forum is by effective flow of information. curbing that would kill the very essence here. but our forum is not ebay. so i guess the emphasis is on sharing information commonly. i'd like to add the phrase "on a need to know basis" to that. we all have seen the result of various loopholes discussed in public, being plugged hence wasting all the hard work. TE apart from being conservative in terms of allowing entry within, should make available info to everyone on a need to know basis. i can safely say not many here really are interested in going knee deep into the nuances and techniques involved in making things work hence limiting their "valuable additions" to TE either. all they want is just a solution to meet their end and they're off but lets remember they further help testing of procedures and practices invented in TE. pass on the control of TE to techies rather than other mods. HP could be a valid unanimous chocie. Sellers should be bound to share their tricks and tips to TE through mods before they sell newer phones. this will help combative pricing and policies. "forum politics" as my friend puts it spin off of buy-sell threads as a separate link when viewing new content. i am sure a lot of readers nowadays are primarily interested in just that content and nothing more so we more or less route that traffic away from discussion. listing fees for dealers and sellers once they have been approved either by way of number of posts or certain other credentials like service feedback claims along with individual standing. listing fees would also bind them to this forum the right way and merely not as a wham bham thankyou maam... lets find ways and means to encourage more and more peeps to join. they would bring in more info even if an iota. p.s: dont be trivial targeting others on this pitch.

I would like to mention the fact that i joined this forum after google seach to do some tinkering on my old lg rd2130 ( ?? ) handset and the forum was abuzz because reliance as a company was very active with new phones, plans, facility etc.........went to gsm and also noticed that rcom changed hands from mukesh to anil became stable ? / dull and boring after that the forum became active when people imported handsets and got cracking on them..... I believe that the forum would have been dull if this would have been missing after all how much you can discuss about reliance. My suggestions to arun would be as follows ( many of them would be repeat ) 1. A descision needs to be taken about the philosphy of the forum whether it is only a forum to deal with Rcom / CDMA in India / Mobile Services in India/general stuff / buy sell listing etc. that will help in organizing it into sections and the members can then restrict themselves to area of their choice without bothering/Commenting on other things 2. IN view new posts if possible there can be option to view updates as per your choice of section. 3. Since selling involves use of rimweb name we could have some criteria for seller that could be min posts and membership period or if the MODS know him in person should be allowed to post. 4. Sellers can contribute to forum expenses by paying for their Listing. 5. Add a disclaimer that rimweb is not involved in selling process its only an online media. If you post any classified online or in paper is editorial staff responsible for it .....Its duty of buyer to be aware and prevent himself to be taken for ride. ( if point no 3 is not acceptable ) 6. There is lots of general stuff like which notebook which camera etc which is posted because rimweb is like a family or group of friends and in india we have this tendency of asking people around us for many things and solutions ...now when this kind of stuff is read by hard core techie members they feel its waste of time because they dont want this stuff. So we need to restructure the forum so that navigation becomes easy. 7. Arun if possible can you post a graph of new members and total posts on a yearly basis for last 5 - 6 years that will probably explain increse in lots of non techie posts. 8. a thank you button to decrease total post count.

Nine Reasons to Say NO to GM Seeds What is a Genetically Modified Seed/crop? Typically, genetically modified foods involve a transgenic process. Which means Transgenesis genes from a different species are inserted, which is a form of horizontal gene transfer. These species could be a certain virus or bacteria, which is inserted in the gene structure of the seed, whereby, when a certain pest consumes the seed, the insect will die from the toxins in this seed. Often along with genetic modification, certain hormones are also introduced into the seed to change the color or increase the size of the crop. 1. GM seeds have many harmful effects on health GM crops are created by the unnatural insertion of foreign genes which can lead to numerous unpredictable changes that are potentially dangerous for health. Bt Brinjal has been artificially created by insertion of a bacterial gene (Bacillus thuringiensis-BT) to produce a toxin 24X7 inside the plant to target one pest—the Brinjal Fruit & Shoot Borer (it has to be noted that while many pests and diseases attack the crop, this technology is claimed as a solution to one such pest). Just as it attacks the pests and kills it, it also attacks beneficial micro organisms in the human body, thus causing irreversible damage to our immunity. Describing the health hazards related with BT vegetables, Ramadoss [union Health Minister of India] warned that people consuming them could experience kidney and liver problems. · Union Health Minister of India calls BT Crops Toxic in Indian Express Interview · Bengal Chief Minister questions health hazards in Indian Express · More illnesses linked to BT by Institute of Science in Society · Poison on the Platter [See film 30 mins] · Bad Seed [ 6.37 mins] 2. "Internationally about 30 tests are prescribed before a country can allow GM seeds. However, India has done only 6-7 tests. Those too have been done by Monsanto itself or samples provided by the company, which is trying to push GM seeds in India," notes Dr. Pushpa Bhargava, who is: widely regarded as the architect of modern biology and biotechnology in India. He has been felicitated with several prestigious awards including the Padma Bhushan. He is also the Supreme Court Appointed special invitee of the 30-member GEAC (Genetic Engineering Approval committee) set up by the Govt. of India. Scientist, writer, thinker, institution builder, administrator. Former and Founder Director of Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB), Hyderabad and used to be the President of Society of Biological Chemists of India and Indian Academy of Social Sciences He has authored over 125 major scientific publications and over 400 other articles on a variety of subjects in some of the best-known publications around the world. See his interview below: · Interview in Indian Express · Interview in Infochange India 3. The so called “Expert Committee (EC2)” set up by the GEAC to conduct tests on BT Brinjal has lost its credibility as many of the members are associated with GM crop development company (Monsanto). There is a corruption charge on one of them. How come we can rely on such committee whose chairman now says, “We are not sure about the safety of BT brinjal”? Recently, the Chair of the EC2 admits in a media interview again that several tests on Bt Brinjal were not done and “without them, at this stage, we do not know whether Bt Brinjal is safe or not”. The Chairperson also says that “Genetically Engineered food products will not be equal to the non-genetically engineered food products. That's for sure. Now, how much damage, we do not know at this stage"! This is a very serious admission indeed and the many voices of concerned citizens, scientists and activists stand vindicated with this. These views of the EC2 Chair not getting reflected in the report of this Committee shows yet again that pressure and vested interests were driving the EC2 report. · Compelling findings by IBN Live · Watch Video where EC2 Chairman speaks on IBN Live 4. There is no shortage or immediate threat to Brinjal production in India. Brinjal is one of the highest produced and consumed vegetables in India and there is no current shortage. There are various traditional methods of protecting Brinjals against pests that have been practiced since hundreds of years. To learn more see Links below: http://takingroots.in/ipm_nske http://www.indiagminfo.org/updates/Brinjal%20FSB%20Brochure%20Final.pdf 5. Thousands of cattle died in Andhra Pradesh by consuming BT Cotton and caused severe allergies and other illnesses to farm workers . Andra Pradesh government has banned Genetically Modified seeds in the state. In Philippines, villagers living near GM Maize fields have even died. Hindustan Times article Interview with Jeffrey Smith in Financial Times Studies by Institute of Science in Society Article about death in Phillipines 6. India is the center of Origin / Diversity of Brinjal Delhi-based NBPGR (See Outlook article below) asserts that Brinjal originated in India and there are more than 2000 varieties that have been conserved. It is important to note that no Genetically Modified crop has been introduced in the country of origin till now in the world, because it can contaminate rest of the traditional species. Monsanto says that if we keep a 30 mt distance on all four sides, then cross pollination between GM and traditional varieties will not occur. But they are leaving out the simple fact that bees travel up to three kilometers. Also Indian farmers do not own huge hectares of land unlike their American counterparts. They are often small plot owners and cannot afford to leave large distances. Also there is a great chance that traditional varieties will get contaminated and also go extinct, which is irreversible. We cannot ever bring back these varieties that nature took thousands of years to create, thereby leaving them extinct forever. One should also realize that any labeling will not help and the consumer has no way to ascertain if the brinjal they are buying is GM or Non-GM. To learn more see links below: Statement by Union Health Minister, Ramadoss in Financial Express ["there are more than 2,500 varieties of brinjal in this country, which could be jeopardized irreversibly with the entry of bt brinjal."] Article in Outlook Magazine Orissa Government bans BT Brinjal to protect local varieties, as per Indian Express 7. Most other countries and several states in India have banned GM due to its health hazards GM crops were introduced in UK, Germany, Phillipines and some other countries. However after facing dangerous health complains from thousands of citizens, mass civil opposition and after doing further tests they banned GM food in their country. Italy, Ireland, Austria, France, Greece, Hungary, Luxembourg, Poland, Romania, South Africa, Switzerland and many other countries have either banned or enforced a moratorium on the cultivation of GM food crops. Moreover, surveys say that more than 90% of Americans, and almost 100% of Europeans are against GM foods. In India, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Kerala, West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh, Uttaranchal and Orissa have banned GM foods. See a list of GM Free Nations 8. Monopoly of a foreign corporate on the food security of India is dangerous One should note that 62% of Indians are occupied in farming. Food production plays a huge role in our economy. If our farmers become addicted to GM Seeds then a foreign company like Monsanto will hold a monopoly on this multi-billion dollar business of selling seeds in India. There is no technology developed in India to make GM seeds. According to many reports Monsanto has a bad reputation worldwide of corruption and breaking international laws: · BBC Article · BBC News: Indian farmers ransack Monsanto building due to farmer suicides · Important film on list of crimes committed by Monsanto: World According to Monsanto 9. Damage to the soil and the entire ecosystem Just as the toxins emitted by the GM seeds kills the pest and damages the human body, similarly it kills the microbial population in the soil. It is the micro activity in the soil that makes it 'alive soil' as against the dead soil in a desert. It is possible to grow food only in an alive ecosystem where the micro activity is high. The toxins not only damage the fertility of the soil, but it also harms the entire ecosystem including the bees, animals and birds. Hope you have the answers now!!!!

I dont think noobs need to fear that they will not be able to use handsets if not given access to protected area. People here appear to be helpful to new comers even. As far as I am concerned, even in big forums like howard and mobile-files or xda best of the techies have replied my PM's. May be after 2-3 days. But they have replied. Also this thread is not and should not be SADIK centric. He is just a seller on this forum. Its purely co incidental that he is perhaps oldest seller and has more satisfied customers than any other seller on forum. One of the reason is he took risks first. It is very important for all the members to realize that solution some of technical problem do involve money, some time big money. I have bricked couple of expensive handsets. I have spent lots of money on useless hardware as well - like modem, handsets, data cables, software (licensed) just to gain nothing. As I am not in business of cracking or hacking & I am no expert still. Again purpose of posting this thread was to make clear what RIMweb should be. Its fine if Admin group thinks that Rimweb is best in current format. Its also fine if every one thinks and work to ensure that Rimweb remains clean trust worthy idea (first) and goods (last) exchange place.

I am not contemplating a handset change at all, bhai. I am shooting questions just to get hands-on information through personal experiences of people living in India. I really did not think that my shooting questions would be taken like that. I am sorry for wasting precious forum resources this way. There was a time when your signature said that we could call you for anything related to Reliance. Now it is nothing but a visiting card. I wouldn't comment on your remark on the reach of your phones...my comment will venture into the absolute bare which most wouldn't appreciate on surface. Also, you got the harsh words because 1. you had not mentioned in your selling material that the set is used, and 2. The set conked out the very same evening that I got it, without my doing anything, 3. When I sent it back to you, you told that the touch is broken...and that I can buy a new set for so much. I did not think that time, but now I wonder that could the set be really not repaired? 4. Exactly same thing happend to the other set I bought from you.. and when I went to a guy who opened it, he showed the mess that was made inside it. He charged Rs. 600 to repair something with the touch. So much for being a techie. The hard words were because of your selling description not clearly telling things that extremely new buyers such as me ought to have known. However, next time you were crystal clear.... you said everything that a good description should. And you know that since then I have not said anything hard...because now you are cent per cent clear of what we are getting and what not. But yet, there are times you falter, as was a case about a BB I read sometime back. The problems about legal things and custom courts you complain are part of the business you are in. I am in content writing business not because of samaj seva, but because I like writing and this is my vocation. I can't say that I am in this field taking pains for all those who accept by bids for their projects and pay me. You could talk about pains if you were doing something for free. When something is done painstakingly, it is not for profit. And if it is, they don't make it sound as if they took pains for us without which we'd be dead. You are importing because we want them, and we want them because you get them. It is always a demand and supply game...supply can't feel too proud, nor should demand feel too great. Personally, I am on a forum because of the community feeling. I am using a handset and here is a forum that discusses about it, so I follow it. Because this is an Indian forum. Topics and issues are related to India. We all follow several foreign forums too, and there is much more development to be had through them. It is about information sharing. Buy-Sell can never be an integral part of a forum. Basic idea of a forum is always for information exchange. The word "forum" is different from is different from the word "store" or "marketplace" .... eBay is not a forum. As simple as that. RIMweb is becoming a targeted marketplace for all things Reliance. I am having a feeling that my reputation will soon be in negative, and I will be awarded with desh-nikaala for voicing.

The information provided in the first post(as per article from Telecomtiger) of the thread is wrong with respect to numbers especially about BSNL. I¡¦ve removed those wrong informative attachments. Here is the official link to the subscriber data as on Dec 31st. http://www.trai.gov.in/WriteReadData/trai/upload/PressReleases/721/Pr27jan2010no8.pdf From the first look it may look like TATA & Idea are closer to BSNL. In actual, BSNL does not operate in lucrative market of Mumbai & Delhi. In that case we've to add MTNL subscribers to BSNL for comparing against other operators. BSNL and MTNL have monopoly in wireline segment which we're not considering. If we consider all the above points and calculate the strength of PSU, they're way ahead of even Reliance. Very important milestone in the history of PSU(BSNL+MTNL) is fast approaching, they're nearing the magical figure of 100 million. In fact they might have crossed that number when I'm posting this post. Kudos to MTNL and BSNL for achieving this stupendous landmark in the hyper-competitive market. :clap: Still I feel they can do more.... Another point, if we include LL subscribers, TATA had already overtaken Idea. The following is the consolidated list of telecom subscribers between different companies and their respective positions. 1) Airtel --> 2,988,546 (LL) + 118,864,031(WL) = 121,852,577 2) BSNL+MTNL --> 28,095,939(MTNL-WL) + 3,491,244 (MTNL-LL) + 62,861,214 (BSNL-WL) + 4,875,913 (BSNL-LL) = 99,324,310 3) Reliance --> 1,164,793 (LL) + 93,795,613 (WL) = 94,960,406 4) Vodafone --> 91,401,959 5) TATA --> 1,103,172 (LL) + 57,329,449(WL) = 58,432,621 6) Idea --> 57,611,872

@ sadik : I dont feel RIMWEBians are considering u only as a seller...u are a techie...u contributed so many things to us.. and also u can be considered as " OFFICIAL SPONSER OF RIMWEB " because u made our dreams come true..6700, 6800, touch, touch pro,touch pro2 and all..v cant even dream without u...so u r among the most resectful persons in RIMWEB Also the veterans like Hetal, Muffy, dkaile and all contributed that much to RIMWEB..i still remember waiting for HP and dkaile to release new ROM for 6700.. used to refresh the forums daily to see their post. And person like Muffy who made the dreams of cracking PRE and other handset...and he is ready to help u at any time u need... Also Arun..I know him personally...he is one of my best friends...I know how much hard work he had put to make this forum..hats off to u dude..he is working that much hard to make the forum no.1 For every building there should be a foundation.without which building wont be strong..like that Arun, Hetal,Muffy, Sadik, dkaile are the foundations of RIMWEB which makes the RIMWEB to grow much...

+1 to Kshah and Muffadal Brother. Definetely we will try to make Rimweb the best Technical Forum for discussing stuffs related to Mobiles and other Technical Issues. Also we will discuss with the Admins in the Moderators Forum to make a Strict Policy for New Sellers for posting their stuff in the Buy / Sell Section. Suggestions are always welcome from all our dear members.

That's a true stroke of Genius out there.... you are actually doubting yours and everybody else's ability to import handsets! It is not that if these people were not there, we'd not have handsets to play with. These people simply brought it down for us... there are people who can get handsets very easily for themselves, I remember GauravJC as he brought Mogul for me which I could not buy, unfortunately. I remember Hetal too... he gets a lot of handsets for himself.... Most, including me, just don't take that aerial route for fear of custom hassles and other things. As for lowest possible margins, I just laugh at anybody who is so naive to think that this is being done at petty margins. Seriously.

I came across Rimweb through Google while searching for some stuff regarding Reliance FWP. JAI HO "GOOGLE"

^^^ Thats really great speed my dear friends. @Santosh Do try it on the PC and confirm the speed please.

Dear Ramesh....Pics were great. I have rated them.

^^^ Daagdar Babu......I'm unable to see the image posted by you in the above post.

@Genius Daaktar Babu......I reduced further half inch. Thanks for the tips (Including Kapda Dhone wala tips ) Daaktar Saab.

^^^ Thanks dear Mufaddal brother. Now I will be regular on the forum.

We all are here to help each other in all aspects, not just money alone.. money [buy/sell] is just a part but never the heart of rimweb..