Sanay

Lg 2230 is really worth Rs.2499- as its MRP for basic need of voice calls & SMS. But it is not wise to buy that even for Rs.1799-, as this brand new phone is easily available for 1200 to 1400 with one 330 RCV free. To get that deal, you can just catch a Hero Honda dealer of the area where there is no RIM coverage nearby your town/city. He can give that to you for anywhere around 1200, as they give discounts of Rs.1000- to customers who do not want the mobile in FREE2ROAM offer.

All these price reductions are partially official. These price reductions are given by Reliance to distributors as festival offers and they are passed on to retailers/customers. These offers vary from 800 to 1000 less on MRP on all the handsets. Actually MRP remains the same so WW sells them at MRP, but WWE and retailers can offer these discounts.

HC stays BSNL from blocking Reliance calls; RIM to pay Rs 40 cr New Delhi, Nov 5 (UNI) Giving a breather to Reliance Infocomm, Delhi High Court today restrained BSNL from blocking Reliance calls till Monday but the Ambanis-owned company will have to pay Rs 40 crore to the state-owned telco for illegal routing of international calls. A division bench comprising Justices Vijender Jain and Anil Kumar granted status quo on the disconnection of Reliance network by BSNL while directing the private company to pay Rs 40 crore by Monday out of the about Rs 180 crore demanded by BSNL in its letter dated October 29 that had given a week's time to pay the amount. Reliance has already paid about Rs 60 crore to BSNL after its letter. The judges also directed Reliance to state on affidavit that it has discontinued routing international calls through local lines without Caller Line Identification. BSNL was also told to respond by November 30 to Reliance's petition that had sought to restrain the state-owned telecom company from blocking its calls till the matter was sorted out by an arbitrator. Reliance had come up in appeal against Justice Vikramajit Sen order yesterday dismissing its plea prima facie finding it in breach of its agreement with BSNL. It was stated that the agreement had contemplated that in case of a breach all calls would be treated as 'suspect' and charged as international calls. BSNL, therefore, has now run up a bill of about Rs 255 crore on Reliance and was still checking records at various places across the country.

But RIM Establishes Dual Talk-Time Concept One balance as Prepaid Account Balance, Other as Free Local call balance with different expiry dates. Don't know details about it.

One great feature that we missed out in all LG handsets till date

Most probably not. Anyway saurav there will be no need for RUIM in RIM handsets. (Read)

Here is the link for LG 6130 on reliance info website.

yeh specifications are same as the service centre guy gave me. Here is the pic

Dring daytime, whenever I am free for even a few minutes, I try to catch up with the forum. Practically here since using free rconnect I love this forum a lot. So whenever I connect net my first visit is this forum page(homepage)

Hope its true. But for sure, Reliance may not allow its RUIMs to be used in handsets available in open market or supplied by other operators. For user, that will mean no discounting of handsets by operators resulting in higher handset prices. But that may be possible in high-end handsets. That will allow operators to remove high priced handsets from their inventories. Also this will encourage churn, that all the operators (including GSM) hate; and find no means to stop. While 0% churn rate is one of the major advantages of CDMA operators.

I found Azureus (torrent downloader) the best. I download many movies and lots of stuff through it. Its much faster and user-freindly. For exact stats: At present I have just been downloading 1.37 GB movie and its been around 62 hours and only about 120 MB remaining.

All the ads are unrealistic and misleading. Customers should never follow them with belief. They are a sort of guides, but I think a person should confirm the actuals before buying a product. By the way India badly needs monitoring agency to avoid such misleading ads.

It is very useful link Thanks very much Vishal,

MTNL to decide on disconnecting Reliance Infocomm calls today TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SUNDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2004 11:21:38 PM ] MUMBAI: Mahanagar Telephone Nigam (MTNL) has decided to defer a final decision on whether to disconnect calls to and from Reliance Infocomm until Monday. Earlier, the public sector telecommunication company had threatened to snap all links with the private operator on October 23. An MTNL source said, “We have decided to wait till Monday; hence we did not disconnect today. But we are likely to disconnect the points of interconnection with Reliance Infocomm on Monday if we do not receive any payment by then.” Nripendra Mishra, secretary, Department of Telecommunications (DoT), ruled out any intervention, saying that the issue is between the two operators. “It is up to them to decide between themselves,” he said. MTNL’s proposed action against Reliance Infocomm follows the alleged illegal routing of international long distance calls as domestic long distance calls by the latter. Reliance Infocomm’s move was aimed at saving on the access deficit charge (ADC), according to sources. MTNL has claimed that Reliance Infocomm owes it a total Rs 276 crore for Mumbai and Delhi circles (Rs 138 crore each). The deadline for payment of ADC expired last Thursday. Incidentally, the DoT had issued a notice to Reliance Infocomm, demanding an explanation as to why the latter should not be penalised for violating the licence agreement. Reliance Infocomm’s reply to DoT is being currently examined. “We are studying their reply and will decide on the future course of action in a few days,’’ said Mr Mishra.

Vishal, I advice u buy samsung X100 instead of 620, as 620 is their oldest model and X100 is in the price range that u wish to buy.

Happy Birthday ...Joydeep

Its long now that I am stuck with Flashget, as in my view its the best download manager I would prefer. It has most of options that one would demand and works fast enough.

MTNL too in ILD row with Reliance RAJESHWARI ADAPPA THAKUR TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2004 01:09:49 AM ] MUMBAI: Mahanagar Telephone Nigam (MTNL) is embroiled in a dispute with private sector telecom major Reliance Infocomm over alleged illegal routing of international long distance (ILD) calls by the latter, to save on the access deficit charges (ADC) payable to the public sector telecom service provider. The dispute with MTNL, which provides basic and cellular services in Delhi and Mumbai, comes after Reliance paid Rs 58 crore to Bharat Sanchar Nigam after similar allegations were made by the latter. MTNL sources said that a notice had been issued to Reliance Info two weeks ago, asking them to pay up a sum of Rs 138 crore within 15 days or face disconnection. “The deadline expired yesterday (October 22) and Reliance has not responded to the notice or made any payments,” sources said. The sources could not say whether MTNL will actually cut off Reliance Infocomm subscribers. MTNL claims that Reliance owes it Rs 138 crore each in Mumbai and Delhi towards unpaid ADC on international calls that were routed illegally through the national long distance (NLD) route. When contacted, a Reliance Infocomm spokesperson refused to comment. MTNL officials also declined to speak on record. The allegation is that Reliance Infocomm had disguised ILD calls as NLD calls to save on ADC. ADC charges are paid to the two public sector telecom majors to enable them to subsidise rural and low income consumers. If Reliance Infocomm does not take any action on Saturday, and if MTNL does disconnect its points of interconnection with the private telecom major, it will inconvenience both Reliance Info and MTNL subscribers in Mumbai and Delhi who will not be able to connect to each other. “Reliance Info’s subscribers will not be able to connect to us and BSNL too,” MTNL sources pointed out. Reliance Info had paid Rs 58 crore as an interim arrangement to BSNL earlier when the latter had threatened disconnection over the same issue. Reliance had earlier claimed that the total payments due to BSNL should not exceed Rs 30 crore as per the audited figures. According to the current regulations, an ADC of Rs 4.30 per minute has to be paid to the fixed line operators for an incoming international call. The department of telecom (DoT) had given Reliance Infocomm time till October 20 to explain why a penalty should not be imposed on them for violating the licence agreement. What is interesting is that BSNL’s claim for illegal routing of calls across the whole country is expected to be in the region of Rs 200 crore while MTNL is claiming about Rs 276 crore for calls from the top two metros. Sources said that the traffic from these two centres was significantly higher than that from any other city in the country.

Thanks EEPROM, Its useful for most of us here. Though u might be having lots of them.

Prepaid section is unavailable in LG5130 color mobile

Here is Sanay frm Gujarat

Illegal telephony thrives in India By Indrajit Basu KOLKATA - Two weeks back, India's Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL), the state-owned telecom service provider and the country's largest telecom operator, made a stunning allegation. It said Reliance Infocomm, the telecom subsidiary of the famous Reliance group, which claims to be the country's fastest-growing wireless telephony service provider, has been cheating BSNL by passing off international calls as local ones to avoid paying it the access deficit charge (ADC). BSNL alleged that Reliance Infocomm - which runs its wireless integrated telecom service under the Reliance India Mobile (RIM) banner - tweaked its switches so that the caller identification devices of RIM's international long-distance calls looked like local calls at about 50 interconnect points - BSNL owns these points that connect operators throughout the country. Reliance has about 400 interconnect points with BSNL. In the process, said BSNL, Reliance Infocomm evaded ADC worth Rs1.2 billion ($26 million). Reliance officials say those calls were part of its collect-call service called "home country direct service" and since such calls did not involve three parties - Reliance Infocomm, a foreign operator and BSNL - Reliance Infocomm wasn't breaking any law as ADC is required to be paid only when these three parties are involved. Although investigations are still under way and it is too early to ascertain who's right, this episode reinforces what many have believed for a long time: There's a thriving illegal telephony market in India. Ever since international long-distance (ILD) telephony was removed from the ambit of state monopoly with the divestment of India's erstwhile sole ILD operator - Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd (VSNL) - to the Tatas (one of country's largest industrial groups) about two years back, the ILD arena is getting increasingly messy. Over the past 10 months, the Telecom Vigilance Department has unearthed at least six illegal telephone exchanges across the country, which instead of hooking on to the normal telephony route via the BSNL-owned international gateway, has set up a parallel line using dedicated lease lines, satellites and ISDN (integrated subscriber digital network). The calls are received at the illegal exchanges using gadgets such as multiplexers and dialers and sent to mobile phones. According to the country's Department of Telecom, apart from cheating the government of its revenue, illegal exchanges pose a security threat. A recent Interpol report said illegal exchanges have possibly helped those involved in drug and human trafficking, gunrunning and money laundering. This was evident in countries such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, which have seen a rapid increase in organized crime in recent years, the report said. Experts say the fault lies not in the system, but with the telecom regulatory regime that has formulated a few lopsided and outdated polices. For instance, under the present ADC regime - perhaps the sorest point with private telecom operators - telecom companies need to shell out a hefty portion of what they earn, to fund BSNL. While this amount is large enough for long-distance calls within the country (about 60 paise on calls for which companies charge Rs2.50 per minute), it gets worse for international calls. Here, the companies have to pay BSNL Rs4.25 per minute on calls that cost Rs8-10. Given that the total value of international calls is in the region of $1.5 billion a year, it's hardly surprising that private operators are tempted not to declare these calls to BSNL at all. The question that now arises is why ADC exists at all? This is a concept enunciated by a Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) order this year for creating a cross-subsidized system in which relatively high-cost long-distance tariffs are supposed to provide the surpluses in order to enable state-owned telecom companies like BSNL and MTNL offer local fixed-line calls at rates below cost. According to the order, ADC is to be paid only to fixed-line operators (which are all state-owned) since TRAI felt that they alone have been prevented by regulation from recovering costs while other service providers - like wireless phone operators and those offering limited mobility - are not compelled to fix tariffs below cost. The total ADC requirement is estimated at $3 billion annually, the bulk of which (about $2 billion) goes toward subsidizing the monthly rental fee of fixed-line subscribers. Nevertheless, even as TRAI says that ADC serves a "crucial social cause" - that is, making fixed-line telephony cheaper for state-owned telecom companies that are the only ones that provide telecom services to vast stretches of rural India and hence make telecom affordable to the poorer segments of the population which cannot afford telecom at actual costs - experts say this a "lopsided" rule "whose time and utility is gone". Private operators hold that ADC is "grossly unfair". Says Reliance Infocomm chairman and managing director Mukesh Ambani: "Of a 99-paise call, my subscriber has to pay 80 paise as subsidy. What kind of a model is this? There has to be some public understanding on this." Many officials of private telecom companies and even some from BSNL admit that illegal telephony in India is inevitable and thrives because of the ADC. "Indeed, it is possible that companies are indulging in such arbitrage on national long-distance calls as well since shelling out a fourth or a fifth of your revenue to a competitor like BSNL is not a very attractive proposition," says a senior official of VSNL, the erstwhile state-owned international call operator that is now controlled by the Tatas. What also makes such "arbitrage" attractive from a private telecom company's point of view, over and above the financial saving, is the fact that BSNL uses this money to compete against those very telecom companies that provide the ADC - for instance, by savagely cutting call rates. According to critics, the telecom regulator's stand also makes ADC ludicrous. "Some months ago, when it was clear that the gray marketing of calls was skyrocketing, TRAI put out a consultation paper on ADC and discussed the idea of charging ADC as a flat revenue share of all calls, as opposed to the current system of levying varying rates on different types of calls," says a telecom analyst. This is why private telecom operators are now spreading themselves out across the globe. Reliance Infocomm has been setting up points of presence in New York and Los Angeles right from the time it started its international long-distance call services. The Tatas, after buying out the controlling stakes of VSNL (listed in the New York Stock Exchange) from the government, has spread out in the United States, the United Kingdom, Singapore and Hong Kong through subsidiary companies. By owning the other end of the network (collecting calls and sending them to India), they earn larger revenues. And since such calls do not originate from a third party, as laid down by the ADC rules, they are not bound to pay ADC to BSNL. But BSNL argues that even if a third party is absent in such call routing, since all private operators use the BSNL network for interconnecting to other operators, they are bound to pay the charge. Even as the debate rages, TRAI has made it clear that it has no plans of removing ADC. But the regulator recently announced that it would announce a reworked package later this month, which would ensure "an increased fairness" by mandating that ADC is collected from calls from all access providers and not just those that involve fixed-line providers. It has also said that its revised ADC calculations will entail a "much lower quantum of ADC for private operators".

Rohan, I suggest you to go through Post You shall find ur answer there

Many thanks for your best wishes Vishal & Greens.

In Gujarat the offer reads... SPECIAL NAVARARI OFFER: (Call within Gujarat) RIM 2 RIM - 0.40 ps/min for Prepaid - 0.20 ps/min for postpaid & RIM 2 GSM/Landline - 0.99 ps/min. TIME: 10pm to 8am . Offer from 14 to 24 Oct