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@HetalDP, @Genius, @Saiesh & @raccoon, Let us not discuss about 2G tariff(EDGE or 1X) in this thread. Let us restrict ourself in discussing 3G tariff(HSDPA or EVDO) alone in this thread...

Raja's aide, HFCL MD questioned in connection with 2G scam source:: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/current-affairs/rajas-aide-hfcl-md-questionedconnection2g-scam_525370.html

Here is the official link confirming the change to sadness(madness). :NOTriste: http://bsnl.co.in/service/3G/3G_files/3g.htm

PM announces JPC to save budget session source :: http://www.hindustantimes.com/PM-announces-JPC-to-save-budget-session/H1-Article1-665352.aspx It's a disappointing news at the end...... Govt giving up due to the political hooliganism of the opposition. It's just not democracy. :angry: Wish and will of the majority(in parliament) is overpowered by the utter rowdyism of the minority(in parliament). This is certainly not the way a democracy should function..... Let us pray and hope this must not set bad precedence for state assemblies where opposition feels it can dictate the running government by blocking assemblies through unruly behaviors. :confuse: I salute PM for making it abduntantly clear that Govt(majority in parliament) does not feel the need for JPC and it has been constituted only in order to save the parliament democracy from being destabilized by non-democractic opposition. :hi2: It's like a slap on the face of opposition through noble gesture.

source :: http://www.themobileindian.com/new-launches/214_Aircel-launches-3G-service-in-Chennai This is really a disappointing news. I don't want to see separate pricing for mobile internet and internet through mobile(like dongles). It's a horrible retrogressive step. It's must be left to the customer choice on how he wants to use his 3G. EVDO failed miserably due to such foolishness of different tariffs. Let us hope Aircel will not make that mistake that too when rest of the 3G players(BSNL/MTNL,TATA,Reliance,Airtel) have not committed that mistake. This is really a rocking base tariff !! approx.Rs.3/MB Just compare it against others. BSNL -- 2p/10 KB (approx. Rs.2/MB) - recently increased from 1p/10 KB TATA Docomo -- 1p/KB (approx. Rs. 10/MB) RCOM -- 10p/10 KB (approx. Rs. 10/MB) Airtel -- 30p/20 KB (approx. Rs. 15/MB) Way to go Aircel..... @Kanaga, I feel Rs. 802 for 1 GB should be a combo plan with some voice minutes & video call minutes. I'm sure Aircel will not price so ridiculously when the competition is offering 1.25 GB at Rs.501

Can NFC make mobile wallet a reality? source :: http://www.themobileindian.com/news/693_Can-NFC-make-mobile-wallet-a-reality With Docomo backing, I'm 100% convinced NFC based payment will become reality in India. Cheers to Docomo for this trial in Hyderabad. :cheer:

CBI seeks TRAI help to value 2G spectrum source :: http://telecomtiger.com/PolicyNRegulation_fullstory.aspx?storyid=10722&flag=1&passfrom=topstory&section=S174 I feel CBI has gone mad. In what context it can request an estimate from TRAI? Who gave permission to CBI to request an independent regulator in doing this useless job? Regulators can't be treated at the level of departments. They've their own autonomous functioning and it should never be diluted. TRAI, infact has cup full of tasks pending, why on earth it has accept this meaningless request at this crucial juncture when telecom policy 2011 is on its anvil. What CBI is investigating is irregularities in adopting 'first-come-first-serve' policy...... Those investigations has nothing to do with these estimates...... CBI absolutely don't have any power to find fault with policies. Policy review is the work of PAC which is under process..... Irrespective of whether it's "no loss" or "1.76 lakh crore", CBI has to ensure the people who committed irregularities are booked. Due to irregularities, if some companies have jumped the queue or if some companies have got prior knowledge on the policy due to their moles in the department or if something has been accepted based on a new policy even before that policy has been officially made public... Above are the points on which CBI has to build the basement of the case for it to win...... If it tries to build a case around the hypothetical loss(indicated by CAG) then it is absolute sure that the case will evaporate due to heat of truth in the court rooms... Going further, whether it wants technical value or socio-economic value is another key point. If socio-economic value is needed it's absolute "no loss".

Videocon promoters questioned in 2G scam source :: http://www.livemint.com/2011/02/21193220/Videocon-promoters-questioned.html?h=B

A very very valid point my dear friend. +1 to you. System is at fault even if it has worked for 99% of the people. Let us not forget that remaining 1% is also Indians. They too have their own right to MNP. One can never belittle the bad impact, MNP failure has had on their life unless we're one among them. We cannot give up our pursuit to reach 100% error-free system although it's theoretical. Successful people say "Aim for the sky. At least you'll fall in top of the tree".

Aircel not alone, three other operators to offer WiFi source :: http://www.themobileindian.com/news/676_Aircel-not-alone-three-other-operators-to-offer-WiFi

@abhisathe, I hope you've written appreciation mail to Sibal & DoT. If not, I beg you to do it ASAP. These small appreciations can only help them to move faster and stronger against these looters(mobile operators) who are hell bend on making MNP not to work.

+10 for you Karthik... You continue to amaze me with highly technical topics.... Keep up the good work....Forum is with you.... Since, your topics are hard core technicals, there may not be much discussions other than appreciations. Please remember that your topics enthralls many so they don't have much thing to speak other than being bowled over.... Less posts in your thread means your presentation is top notch without any confusion which in itself is equivalent to million accolades....

My BSNL 3G is total crap. Most of the time it falls back GPRS/EDGE. Whenever there's a power cut, then absolutely no HSDPA only GPRS/EDGE. I feel they've not connected their Genset to HSDPA BTS to save their diesel bill.

Thanks @dkaile.. I got the clarification from some customer care person in the TATA sky. Yes, it's 12m for Normal boxes(either HD or Standard) and 24m for + boxes (Standard+ or HD+). + boxes require 2 inputs from minidish and hence its double(12m+12m) for those boxes for the same distance to set top box from minidish. Anyway, they've discontinued Standard+ set top now..... Just got my thing running today around 1:00 PM in time for India-Bangla match. They've installed with 2 cables running from minidish to set top box. Match was just awesome in HD. I've not tested much so far. But, whatever I've tested it worked to my satisfaction.

@dkaile, What is the length of cable for standard installation? Website says 24m but customer care/service engineer says 12m. Bit confused. http://www.tataskyplus.com/tata-sky-faqs-general.html :confuse:

2G scam: CBI to quiz DMK chief M Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi source :: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_2g-scam-cbi-to-quiz-dmk-chief-m-karunanidhis-daughter-kanimozhi_1509425

Leaving out all stuffs about DoT not having power and other things...... I'm twice as much convinced as you on the fact that Airtel will never ever reverse their statement until unless they've been forced to do do.... Let us not rule out the possibility of DoT randomly selecting a mail and taking action on it. Let us not forget Airtel has openly accepted in their communication that they're taking action only due to DoT. You may have not been as lucky as pasumark in dealing with DoT PG cell.

Sure....there's a difference.....in tracking, escalations etc.,.... What difference?? It's not relevant for this topic. They've to read to identify to which TERM cell it has to be routed to....or at least to identify the operator to which it has to be routed to...... Stringent mail should have been send to Airtel with bunch of similar cases with warning. "Simply do not have any teeth" is not a correct statement as for as MNP is concerned. If govt does not have teeth who else on earth has? Come on my dear friend..... Just don't get carried away by some lazy answer you've received once from DG office.

Sorry....Clearly Airtel has admitted that they've worked only in the direction of DoT. General grievance is more of intra-operator issue but MNP is inter-operator issue and I feel DoT has powers to dictate in case of MNP. Forget about the portal, everyone knows it may not work. But, ca@trai.gov.in & ddgpg-dot@nic.in certainly works as per the given information. Least of all, I expect Airtel to work unless otherwise there has been specific stringent communication from DoT/TRAI. Not even in best of insane mood, I can think of appreciating Airtel for this specific case. Please give the credit where it is due.....If not(when in doubt), at least don't give credit where it should not be....

+100 for you pasumark. Thank you very much for sharing..... This will really give ray of hope for endless sufferers in India. It's an example to show "India is Working" after all. Pasumark, I appreciate your never dying spirit. This is the spirit which can save India from 'corporate looters backed by political looters or vice-versa'. Pasumark, I beg with you to send appreciation mail to DoT and TRAI by attaching Airtel's mail. It'll encourage them to do it further and make this country a functioning democracy. Even though, it's the least expected out of DoT and TRAI. I salute them for this action whole-heartedly. :hi2: :signthankspin: :signthankspin: Dear fellow members, be aware that Govt is functioning and please please encourage these signs of little actions so that they get strength to move on in the system which highly tuned for taking rest.

It's one thing to bring a public shame but it's other thing to book them on criminal culpability. First thing can be achieved. Second thing is very difficult. As per the current emerging trends, ADA can possibly be booked on certain money trails only if some inter-links become approvers. TATA is totally not possible since Unitech as front company can only be highlighted morally but can never be proved legally.

I plead to say it's totally wrong.....If auction happened not even a single new operator would have entered. Total ignorance of true facts....... Just look at the fragmentation in 3G auction. Even the top looter Airtel was not able to get pan-India. In BWA(4G) auction, most of the existing big operators like TATA,Reliance, Vodafone has backed out. Don't ever think of auction as route for competition. Auction is route for hoarding. :locked: Whether their market share is less or high is a different story. It's operators' efficiency in retaining and pouching. What it matters for common man is it brings competition and lowers the tariff. Don't forget one very important point. New operators subscriber additions is mainly in the rural and sub-urban areas. Survival becomes difficult only when competition is stiff. Consolidation will happen only when the survival becomes difficult. The 'actual' survival point in tariff can only be found when competition is at peak. Competition --> Struggle for survival --> Consolidation is the normal cycle in any industry. Don't worry....... It's natural selection process called 'survival of the fittest'. If not for these new operators, Indians might have been fooled by existing operators to think that they've reached survival point in tariff even at the hopeless(speaking in terms of poor's afford-ability) rate of Re. 1/min. Come on....Let us be very very clear of one fact. The money which has been transferred to Uninor and Etisalat is not for wallets of SWAN or Unitech. It's for the operations of the new operators. Telecom is capital intensive industry and needs huge money. Just consider the state of new licensees other than Uninor, Etisalat & MTS(for whom money has been poured in from outside), the rest were not able to move since they didn't get the money needed for capital hungry telecom operations. It's utter illogical to say money poured in for capex and opex as the money Govt lost. Consider the most hypothetical situation in which 2G spectrum were allocated through auction and Telenor and Etisalat had won licences. Then, they should have poured double the money of which they're operating now. One portion for auction and one portion for expansion. Automatically and logically they can offer the tariff only at double the rate at which they offer now. 'Auction' or 'No Auction', foreign players have to pair with any of the local business due to FDI limit. Hypothetically, if Unitech has got through auction then it would have charged triple times the current amount from Telenor. Even then,these people will be making same noise. It's pure ignorance on the functioning of telecom industry. Subsidies need not only be utilized by poor(although targeted for poor). Most of the subsidies are at national level irrespective of poor or rich. Diesel subsidy is one such. Most of the sports utility vehicles are powered by subsidized diesel. Education is one such. Even if son of Anil Ambani studies in IIT or IIM, he studies by subsidy. LPG subsidy is one such...... There are hundreds of such things which I can keep on quoting..... Govt allows everyone to use the subsidy as long as it becomes very difficult to target it only for poor. Whatever I've listed above are "revenue draining" points. "2G auction" is after all is just "missed revenue income stream". "First-come-first-serve" is a pro-poor, pro-neutral and pro-competitive mechanism. It's very highly appropriate to compare it with other subsidies. There have been some mistakes in the implementation of the "First-come-First-serve". That should be the focus and the respective culprits have to be booked. But saying "First-come-First-serve" as faulty is an outcome of corrupted(either by money or brain-wash) mind. In nutshell, giving through 'first-come-first-serve' is like 'merit quota'. Where every one is treated at par irrespective of their current money power. Giving it by auction is like 'management quota'. Only money decides....nothing else................. Management quota can be applied on cosmetic services(although I feel it's basic service) like 3G&4G. Merit quota must only be applied on basic service like 2G which touches the heart and soul of millions of million Indians hitherto unnoticed........ Don't ever even dream of making money at the cost of poor. There are thousand and thousand ways to fill the exchequer. Don't fill it at the cost of Telecom revolution which I feel is functionally equivalent to Industrial revolution of England. Don't get carried away by foolish propaganda of 'loss to exchequer'. If you allow telecom to flourish by adapting pro-competitive and anti-oligopoly mechanisms then it can guarantee you in filling exchequer in thousand other ways. 3G tariff is live example of how bad auction can be. 3G tariff is live example of how fast cartel forms if we don't have enough competitors.

It's emerging that SWAN was front company for RCOM, Unitech was front company for TATA. I find nothing wrong in it since dual-tech licenses were not visible at that time and it is the only way to protect the future of the companies. If it was ensured at the time of application, that there were no cross holdings, then everything is fine. The issues lie only in the money trail from Balwa to Kalaignar TV and Balwa to Maharastra politician. If we assume it as bribe then what for??? Reason has to be identified...... Another issue lie in ADAG to Delphi Investments. ADAG-Delphi issue can be taken positively since ADAG is under pressure to quit SWAN, Delphi might have bargained for dirt cheap rate.

Finally & Finally, DoT has published Information about Detailed Spectrum allotments, Availability of spectrum and Pending applications for allotment of spectrum in respect of 2G, 3G and BWA as on 31/01/2011 http://210.212.79.13/Static/spectrumallotement.html Let us hope this page will be updated regularly....... These data clearly shows that about 50% of the total spectrum alloted is hoarded by Cartel (Airtel, Vodafone & Idea). Airtel in particular has looted our national resource(spectrum) mercilessly. :angry: Anybody who has basic knowledge on spectrum sees this page can easily understand how much new operators have been harassed by existing policies(mostly spoon fed by Cartel). TRAI has strenuously tried to correct those anomalies slowly but due to excess media(managed by Cartel) pressure, TRAI was not able to move an inch for last one year. Hope TRAI immediately takes back the excess spectrum from greedy Cartel operators for allotting it to the needy new operators. :help:

@ramtech & @sajokj, I feel sorry for your state of affairs. My humble request it to escalate it to DoT & TRAI as mentioned in While escalating, please copy to nodal officers of both operators. If you know the email addresses, also copy to heads of both companies. Normally, you'll not get reply from Govt but you'll get solution from operators sooner..... Please don't give up. If you give up then those looters will get encouraged and continue these foul plays.