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^^^ either way, the backlight on my 6265 goes off within 15 secs as it has been set to that time. SO how is it different, anuragz?

I am using my music player and the backlight goes off in 10 secs as I have set it just like you have done. I suggest you go over to the Nokia ASC and get your mobile checked up.

5k is not going to deter RCL one bit. They will continue to do their activities forever. Hope teh national DND also does not die an unnatural death like MNP did. You never know, these telcos are capable of paying the TRAI/DOT/netas and babus to get things done in their favour. Just like it happened with Vodafone and also BSNL. Not that Vodafone and BSNL are angels either.

RCoM to make handsets, ties up with Taiwanese co JOJI THOMAS PHILIP TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JUNE 30, 2007 01:47:59 AM] NEW DELHI: Finally, Reliance Communications (RCOM) is set to make handsets in India. After years of speculation, India’s second-largest mobile telecom operator and the largest player in the CDMA space is getting into a joint venture with Taiwan’s Cal-Comp Electronics to manufacture CDMA handsets in the country. The manufacturing plant is slated to be operational during the first half of 2008. RCOM is also learnt to have placed an order of nine million additional handsets with Cal-Comp. “Due to the fast-growing handset market in India, Cal-Comp plans to set up a joint venture with the client to manufacture handsets in India, with the planned investment project likely to be carried out in the first half of 2008,” Cal-Comp chairman Rock Hsu said in Taiwan, without naming the client. He, however, said that his client was a CDMA operator in India which has increased the order size for 2007 to 12 million units from three million units. With the proposed JV, Cal-Comp, which has manufacturing plants in China and Thailand, will join Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, LG and Samsung to add to the 51 million handsets likely to be made in India this year. India produced nearly 31 million mobile phones in 2006 worth about $5 billion. Asked about plans to make handsets in India with Cal-Comp as the JV partner, the RCOM spokesperson declined to comment. The move to place a large handset order and enter into a JV with an established player will help RCOM preempt Vodafone-Essar, which plans to launch a series of ultra low-cost bundled handsets (mobile connection and a handset) in collaboration with China’s ZTE to get a bigger pie of rural India and increase its market share. Vodafone’s low-cost handsets are expected to be priced between Rs 1,000 and Rs 1,600. This apart, market leader Bharti has similar ambitions in the bundled handset space and is in talks with many mobile phone manufacturers for customised handsets for its new subscribers. So it is only logical that RCOM is planning to make handsets in collaboration with a known player. The Anil Ambani-owned company has been pursuing an aggressive handset-driven expansion plan and in the last two months kicked off a series of price war in the handset category which began with the launch of the Rs 777 Classic range. RCOM sold over a million units of the Classic range within a week of its launch. RCOM followed it up with the launch of colour handsets beginning at Rs 1,234 and sold over a half a million in the first 10 days. Subsequently, RCOM introduced FM radio mobiles at Rs 1,888 and Rs 1,919. The price wars resulted in RCOM’s rival in CDMA Tata Teleservices launching handsets below Rs 1,000 bundled with its mobile connection and market leader Nokia choosing India for the global launch of its latest low-cost phones. In addition to CDMA handsets, Cal-Comp also manufactures PDA handsets, chordless phones, printers, VoIP phones, GSM phones and Bluetooth headsets. Cal-Comp also operates R&D centres in Thailand, Taiwan, South Korea, China, and Singapore. Last year, after a major tiff with RCOM over royalties on handsets, CDMA patent holder Qualcomm had said that it would share technology and provide licences to companies to manufacture CDMA handsets in India to bring down prices of mobile phone. Though Qualcomm had given the licence to HFCL to manufacture CDMA handsets in India about nine months ago, the company is yet to begin production. SO folks, yet another half hearted attempt at making handsets in India by RCOM. Link Courtesy: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/N...how/2162771.cms

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In Nokia GSM Series 60 phones, call duration is logged in a separate log which again you have to dig deep in the menu to access. AFAIK, you also need the sec. code to access the logs. But all said and done, the call logs in Nokia S60 phones is really very good. You can filter on voice, sms etc.

what abt nokia 6265, the icons menu has something abt 3G, whats that?

All Nokias do not support call duration and voice recording whilst on call. No SWs are available for this feature. These features are available only an all LG sets. And voice recording while on call, LG 6230 etc will help you out. You cannot get all the features on one single handset, you see.

If one uses any mobile for big time SMS'ing, the battery will drain off very fast. I have noticed this over the last 5 to 6 years in both GSM and CDMA. AFAIK, when you SMS, the backlight remains on for the time you type the SMS or fwd it and goes off after the SMS has been sent (typically 15 secs in any Nokia or 10 secs in LG). Multiply by the number of SMSs you send and see the number of seconds your backlight remains on. Even when you receive SMSs, your backlight remains on for 15/10 secs plus the alert if any that has been set. In short, do as RCL tells you to do, "dont use the mobile for SMS'ing" It is costly by way of SMS costs and also battery life. So dont SMS too much. Techies here may please elaborate on the above. Typically I used to send 40 to 45 SMS every day to around 45 people across 10 - 12 SMS groups. And by 2PM everyday, my 6265's battery used to drain off completely. I stopped SMS'ing so much and now the battery lasts till atleast 10PM. Now I hardly SMS, maybe once or twice a week, My SMS count has come down from 18000+ SMS/month 2 months back to just 1500- SMS/month now. Off Topic By the way, how does 6700 fare for SMS? Is the UI easy like Nokia/LG and to how many recipients can one send a SMS in a single shot. In Nokia/LG, you can send only to 10 people at a time. In series 60 Nokia phones, one can send SMS to unltd number of recipients. Since 6700 is a PDA, can this functionality be achieved here also? Thanks

Link: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/SMSing...ews/2154485.cms PTI[ WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27, 2007 05:00:31 PM] BANGALORE: Think twice before you SMS that really funny obscene joke or blindly forward a photograph - you could land yourself behind bars or unknowingly act as a conduit for a terrorist gang, warn IT experts. "Terrorist use the net for achieving their goals. An innocent man may be unknowingly drawn into the terrorist network, when he receives a photograph of a beautiful woman from a stranger, who then asks him to forward it to 21 friends to win a prize," Vijayshankar, Consultant, Cyber Law and Techno Legal Cyber Security, said. "The photograph could contain a hidden terrorist message encrypted within," he said. The attack on Parliament was linked to hidden messages SMSed to various people in the garb of a beautiful photograph of leading Indian actress, he said. "Hence, one should not forward messages received from unknown persons," says Vijayshankar, who is part of the IT Professionals' Forum (ITPF) group which is organisimg a web seminar on June 29 to warn people on cyber crimes. "Cyber crime is no longer happening only to people working with higher technology. It has begun to affect ordinary people and was reaching the smaller cities and towns as well," Vijayshankar said. Even a person who has never used the net could become a victim of cybercrime. Citing an example of housewife in Coimbatore, he said that the housewife who did not know how to use a computer began receiving obscene calls. Investigations revealed that her phone number had been posted on the net by a relative from her own house since the two were not on good terms, he said. Youngsters, who often threw caution to the winds and indulged in 'cyber adventure', could land themselves in the grip of law, says Vijayashankar, quoting an instance where an employee of a leading company hacked into the e-mail of his friend and sent an obscene e-mail to his friend's new employer even before his colleague could take up the job. "The innocent colleague on landing at the office was handed over a sack order even before he joined the company. However, with subsequent help from the cyber crime cell, he was able to prove his innocence and track down the offensive e-mail to his friend, who has now lost his job," he said. Sending obscene jokes also may no longer be a laughing matter, if a person offended by the joke decided to take action against the sender under the new cyber law. "Anything within the domain of an electronic document including cell phones, e-mail, blogs can provide evidence in cyber crime. An employee of a leading company who wrote defamatory words against a rival organisation on his blog, was taken to task by the rivals, who demanded punitive action against him and the company was forced to ask him to resign," says Vijayashankar. "Replace adventure with caution and do not 'freak out' on the net because in cyberspace, there is no concept like anonymity. Anything and everything can be tracked down," he said adding it was easier to track a cyber crime compared to physical crime because one left behind electronic documents and secondly because the investigator sitting in one place could track you down no matter where you are. The virus 'I love You' which hit the net was tracked down to a student in Phillipines. "You can't escape no matter how smart you think you are," he said. Sixty per cent of the people involved in cyber crimes really were not criminal at heart, says Vijayashankar. However, the law enforcers would have to register a crime case because it violated the cyber law. "Many people, including IT professionals, sometime were not even aware their actions were a cyber crime," he said, adding "that happens because legal education has never been part of the curriculum". "Companies should educate their employees about benchmark ethics in cyberspace. Computer Engineers should have a component relating to cybercrime since they work in cyberspace," he said. Sending an email and coercing people to adhere to the diktat of the letter chain could actually land one in trouble, so also the downloading of films and songs, he said. The SMS sent by an unknown stranger could be dangerous if forwarded because offenders try and steal bank passwords and siphon off money. Many spy on internet users and defraud them with false promises of jobs prizes and wealth. In a recent case in a small town, some youths received an SMS asking them to pay up 500 dollars for an overseas job which they did only to find they had been cheated. SMS promising free prizes are often sent to gullible victims. Quoting a recent case on the net, he said a handicapped woman had been interacting with a Canadian friend and sent him a photograph of a budding Indian actress claiming it to be her own. The Canadian fell in love and sent her expensive gifts but the game was up when he got to know the reality. "Fun can turn into crime," he says warning about the dangers looming large on the cyber highway for those with that impulsive 'funny (cyber) bone' lurking within them. SO friends, take care when you send SMSs to any known or unknown person.

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Beware of ghost roamers! KALYAN PARBAT TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, JULY 03, 2007 07:30:57 AM] KOLKATA: Living in West Bengal and using a prepaid cellphone connection? In case you are, and your work involves endless trips to towns on the state’s borders with either Assam, Jharkhand, Bihar or Orissa, you’d better keep an hawk’s eye on the talktime balance. Especially, when you’re in a state border town and choose to receive a call. You may be totally unaware that your cellphone has silently hooked onto a mobile network across the border as the signal is strong. So what you took for an innocuous free incoming call on your home network, no longer is, since you’re suddenly a ‘ghost roamer’ shelling out Rs 1.75 per minute as inbound roaming charges. Welcome to ‘Live national roaming 24 x 7’ for prepaid mobile subscribers, where your talktime balance could vanish real quick if you’re not careful! This will hold true for any prepaid subscriber making frequent trips to border towns within their home state. Especially, since ‘national roaming’ is ‘continuously activated by default’ for prepaid subscribers. These days, nearly 90% of the country’s 175 million mobile subscribers are prepaid users and the built-in national roaming feature has been a huge draw, especially after Trai scrapped monthly rentals on national roaming. So, whether you’re an Airtel, Hutch, BSNL-CellOne , Idea, Reliance or Spice prepaid subscriber, you could end up roaming within your home turf every time you hit a border town. Things could get really tricky if you’re at an inter-state border where your cellular service provider is also the licensed operator across the border. The same jinx could easily haunt ignorant postpaid mobile subscribers. But in this case, national roaming needs to be activated by requesting the operator. It isn’t seamless as in the case of prepaid users. When contacted, sources at Airtel, Hutch and BSNL-CellOne confirmed the phenomenon , but declined to discuss the tariff impact . “This is precisely why we only activate national roaming when a postpaid subscriber requests for the facility. We’ve received feedback that customers travelling frequently within West Bengal to towns near the Orissa, Jharkhand, Bihar or Assam borders have at times paid roaming charges for receiving what they thought were free incoming calls. Cellphones can easily get plugged onto a different network on the other side of the state border if signal strength is strong. So a prepaid user in a Bengal border town may suddenly be roaming on another mobile network depending on the location and signal strength,” they said. Elaborating, an Airtel official said: “When such cases do surface, we invariably run a check and there have been instances where we’ve refunded roaming charges collected inadvertently for calls near inter-state border towns. This can happen anywhere in the country where there are multiple operators on either side of a state border.” Interestingly, while postpaid users are largely safe, prepaid users travelling frequently to state border towns have evolved homegrown strategies to skirt the roaming trap. “We understand some prepaid customers who travel to border towns either switch off cellphones there or carry multiple SIM cards. If a tea industry guy is near the Bengal-Assam border in a place like Alipurduar that’s close to Dhubri (in Assam), he may carry separate SIM cards. He could easily use the relevant Assam network SIM even while in West Bengal,” said a top industry source speaking under conditions of anonymity. See the technology has made so much advances that you end up paying for incoming calls also as in the past. The more things change, the more they remain the same. HA HA HA

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@ aks, You were the one who asked to de-register for SMSs and I only followed you. So I am the chela and you are the guru. By that yardstick, hope you dont do me in. In any case, I have severely restricted SMSing from last 2 months because of obvious reasons like battery running out before 2PM, no time nowadays, unable to delete so many SMSs (mostly hindi shairies of course) every hour. I used to receive almost 200 to 300 SMSs every day. My poor mobile just could not keep up with it and started groaning. Until I get another mobile with unltd store capacity, faster sending to various groups and definitely better battery life, I dont think I will be able to re-start SMSsing to all my dearest friends at RW. And yes, I had almost short-listed ppc 6700 but am now waiting for a dual mode (CDMA cum GSM) phone. Hope it comes sooner with all the +ve SMS features I require.

I don't know if this topic has already been discussed elsewhere, but anyway I think it would be a good idea if members post here the current scenario in GSM in different circles so that RCL users contemplating switch to GSM can get more upto date info here itself. I feel that since handsets are not linked to the service provider in GSM, discussion reg. handsets need not be made here. However if some particular model is linked to the service provider at attractive rates, then this should find mention here. The various GSM tariff plans and add-on packs etc can be discussed here. I will post here in a day or two after getting more info.

SMSing obsene jokes may land you in jail PTI[ WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27, 2007 05:00:31 PM] BANGALORE: Think twice before you SMS that really funny obscene joke or blindly forward a photograph - you could land yourself behind bars or unknowingly act as a conduit for a terrorist gang, warn IT experts. "Terrorist use the net for achieving their goals. An innocent man may be unknowingly drawn into the terrorist network, when he receives a photograph of a beautiful woman from a stranger, who then asks him to forward it to 21 friends to win a prize," Vijayshankar, Consultant, Cyber Law and Techno Legal Cyber Security, said. "The photograph could contain a hidden terrorist message encrypted within," he said. The attack on Parliament was linked to hidden messages SMSed to various people in the garb of a beautiful photograph of leading Indian actress, he said. "Hence, one should not forward messages received from unknown persons," says Vijayshankar, who is part of the IT Professionals' Forum (ITPF) group which is organisimg a web seminar on June 29 to warn people on cyber crimes. "Cyber crime is no longer happening only to people working with higher technology. It has begun to affect ordinary people and was reaching the smaller cities and towns as well," Vijayshankar said. Even a person who has never used the net could become a victim of cybercrime. Citing an example of housewife in Coimbatore, he said that the housewife who did not know how to use a computer began receiving obscene calls. Investigations revealed that her phone number had been posted on the net by a relative from her own house since the two were not on good terms, he said. Youngsters, who often threw caution to the winds and indulged in 'cyber adventure', could land themselves in the grip of law, says Vijayashankar, quoting an instance where an employee of a leading company hacked into the e-mail of his friend and sent an obscene e-mail to his friend's new employer even before his colleague could take up the job. "The innocent colleague on landing at the office was handed over a sack order even before he joined the company. However, with subsequent help from the cyber crime cell, he was able to prove his innocence and track down the offensive e-mail to his friend, who has now lost his job," he said. Sending obscene jokes also may no longer be a laughing matter, if a person offended by the joke decided to take action against the sender under the new cyber law. "Anything within the domain of an electronic document including cell phones, e-mail, blogs can provide evidence in cyber crime. An employee of a leading company who wrote defamatory words against a rival organisation on his blog, was taken to task by the rivals, who demanded punitive action against him and the company was forced to ask him to resign," says Vijayashankar. "Replace adventure with caution and do not 'freak out' on the net because in cyberspace, there is no concept like anonymity. Anything and everything can be tracked down," he said adding it was easier to track a cyber crime compared to physical crime because one left behind electronic documents and secondly because the investigator sitting in one place could track you down no matter where you are. The virus 'I love You' which hit the net was tracked down to a student in Phillipines. "You can't escape no matter how smart you think you are," he said. Sixty per cent of the people involved in cyber crimes really were not criminal at heart, says Vijayashankar. However, the law enforcers would have to register a crime case because it violated the cyber law. "Many people, including IT professionals, sometime were not even aware their actions were a cyber crime," he said, adding "that happens because legal education has never been part of the curriculum". "Companies should educate their employees about benchmark ethics in cyberspace. Computer Engineers should have a component relating to cybercrime since they work in cyberspace," he said. Sending an email and coercing people to adhere to the diktat of the letter chain could actually land one in trouble, so also the downloading of films and songs, he said. The SMS sent by an unknown stranger could be dangerous if forwarded because offenders try and steal bank passwords and siphon off money. Many spy on internet users and defraud them with false promises of jobs prizes and wealth. In a recent case in a small town, some youths received an SMS asking them to pay up 500 dollars for an overseas job which they did only to find they had been cheated. SMS promising free prizes are often sent to gullible victims. Quoting a recent case on the net, he said a handicapped woman had been interacting with a Canadian friend and sent him a photograph of a budding Indian actress claiming it to be her own. The Canadian fell in love and sent her expensive gifts but the game was up when he got to know the reality. "Fun can turn into crime," he says warning about the dangers looming large on the cyber highway for those with that impulsive 'funny (cyber) bone' lurking within them. Link Courtesy: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/SMSing...ews/2154485.cms So friends, take note of the above when you send SMSs to known or unknown people.

Go for LG 3000 if you want only colour or LG 3470 / 3100 if you want both. Dont ever try out Classic, it may be cheap but its terrible. AFAIK, your promo. bal will go away on changing the h/s if you follow what others have said. But follow as supernova has advised, it may work.

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Thanks to Redshift and Tanveer for sharing useful links.

BSNL is cheapest and can be used from any number of BSNL phones unlike RCL's cards which can be used only from one RCL phone. Keep this in mind.

WOW, BSNL also is going the RCL way. No idea where it will lead to. Try complaining to 94000 24365 or 1500 from your BSNL LL and see if they are able to sort out your problems. If these do not work, try sending a letter to prominent newspapers in your city about this problem and also highlight the lack of solutions from BSNL.

Junk RCL if you are ready and go GSM where there are plenty of choices available within Nokia N or E series or others like SE, Samsung, LG, etc. Or if you can up your ante and want to remain with RCL, try 6700 from sadiqshaikh. IMHO, all other RCL mobile models are sheer waste of time. Or wait for some more time and see if sadiqshaikh can offer you dual mode CDMA-GSM phones which may come at around your budget itself.

All their email IDs bounce the emails sent to them for some peculiar reason known to them only. Maybe all the operators have paid them not to receive more than maybe 5 complaints daily and after that all emails sent to them will automatically bounce. Even if your email is lucky enough to be sent to them, no action will be taken and no acknowledgement will be sent to you for receipt of email, leave alone resolution. So don't waste time and energy trying to email TRAI. Its of no use at all. aybe if you want to waste money, try sending RPAD or SpeedPost snail mail. That may or may not be effective. 'TRAI' 'TRAI' and 'TRAI' till you succeed.

It is not possible, AFAIK. Mabe some techies have devised some work around. They may help you.

MTNL set to put WiMAX on the hi-speed route TIMES NEWS NETWORK [FRIDAY, JUNE 23, 2006 12:23:59 AM] NEW DELHI: Mahanagar Telephone Nigam (MTNL) is set to become the first telecom operator in the country to introduce WiMAX technology on a large scale. WiMAX enables broadband access at a download speed of up to 75 Mbps through wireless. MTNL is launching pilot projects in Delhi and Mumbai and will launch services commercially once the regulator assigns spectrum for it. “We cannot ignore WiMAX. It is a new technology development and we have to explore its full potential. Our priority is to provide the best services to our customers so that we maintain lead over our competitors, said RSP Sinha, chairman and managing director of MTNL. WiMAX is still in its early stages of development. The Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (TRAI) has not yet assigned frequency spectrum for WiMAX services. Once TRAI assigns spectrum for WiMAX and decides on its pricing, MTNL will offer WiMAX commercially to its subscribers. This will, of course, depend on the success of its pilot projects. MTNL recently invited expressions of interest (EoI) for providing services on WiMAX 802.16. However, this was withdrawn as the interested parties complained that they would not be able to offer services commercially unless the regulator assigns spectrum and announces its pricing. Some observers consider WiMAX as threat to 3G. They feel that it is a destructive technology and has capabilities of replacing 3G. However, another school of thought is that both 3G and WiMAX are complimentary technologies. WiMAX works best for computing platforms such as laptops, while 3G is best for mobile platforms such as cell phones. “Initially, we plan to use WiMAX for providing broadband in those areas where we do not have good copper network. It is easy to provide broadband using WiMAX. Later depending on the results of pilot projects, we will offer WiMAX on a larger scale, said Kuldeep Singh. WiMAX is a new technology and it is still in pilot project stage in many countries. South Korea will be the first country in the world where WiMAX will be launched commercially, by the end of this month. Link Courtesy: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1672693.cms