Please Stop Over Commercialisation Of Our Forum...

[dkaile 1,051]

I think the topic title is self explanatory... I started it after receiving lots of complaints from fellow members that they are being asked money for simple programming needs.... I myself am seeing lots and lots of buy sell things only... healthy discussions are really taking a back seat... sharing is getting redundant day after day... am relying on foreign forums for most knowledge...

Your Comments and Poll is highly requested....

[Genius 817]

^^^ Although i have voted for the 3rd option but i still feel that Mr Dhiraj is right, selling a solution is not right, although you are welcome selling sets and other stuff (tech ones not bed and sofa)

there has been very successful initiative like giving for free, respect that and share what you can - if you want to charge for solution or small things better to keep off. learn from Sadikk, Dr KMM, Arun, Dhiraj ji himself, pardon me if I have forgot to mention others.

this is is the only forum which is a Family - let it be. and enjoy best CDMA sets that world has to offer

Dhiraj Ji - Regards

[kshah 452]

I agree with you. I raised same topic in past and our Admin took necessary action.

Though we do not like commercialization of Rimweb, the fact is in CDMA one can not buy any thing from market as hardly any thing available. So RImweb being exclusive and oldest CDMA discussion forum for India, commercialization will bring in new people who may share something someday.

Also one fact is we Indians are too misers and we do not share any damn thing. Not even knowledge or information. We see money every where and that is the reason we remain poor.

If some one is charging money for solution which he spent money for or he took risk for, I think its worth paying and its justified. For example, I was the one who converted my PPC 6700 first to RUIM. I took risk and I exchanged my information with one free PPC 6700. I also assured buyer of my solution that I will not disclose it to any one who has commercial interest but certainly share with people who would be DIY sort of guys. That arrangement worked.

[SumitVerma 187]

Havent really been in such a situation as of now as I am connected with the best guys! Mufaddal Ji, Dhiraj Ji, Hitesh Bhai, Sadikk Bhai and many more.

But even I have heard the same issue, this forum is in regards for sharing knowledge and not really selling it.

But still there are some sellers who asks Gurus to do stuff for free (Not Pointing anyone), as they are making money, I dont think their is any issue in charging them.

[Nirvana 4]

Bring into light those members who are doing that without sharing and have them banned right away. Reveal the names that you came across in the complaints you heard.

[FEVIN-RAJ 61]

Its a fact that Over commercalisation is happening in this forum

but its helps the forum members in terms of wide area of choosing and low cost handsets

Many of our experianced members have started own business by importing handsets

[ravi_patent 28]

i had the experience with kshah who was putting into practice what he was preaching above.Kudos to KShah and for Dhiraj for raising this issue.My vote was for 1st option

[Mufaddal 678]

well a similar topic was raised by kshah in past and we all put our feedbacks in it

well , been a geek myself , sometimes its very irritating to see , people not sharing their stuff on forum readily / unknowingly/ unintentionally/ intentionally , whatever be the reason

A forum is a place to discuss , bring in new ideas , thoughts and then doing experimentation with those things to arrive to a solution.

But most people just come read , ask for help , get things done and vanish from forum , until the next problem they are faced with , i dont blame them as everyone cant be same .

I agree with kshah and sumit that in some cases u have to charge for the help u provide for betterment of community itself

You cant expect everyone to put in 2-3 hrs of their time for free.

sometimes member ask for spoon feeding type programming

i dont think charging for programming is bad thing , but then charges shouldnt be exorbitant.

Help should be provided for free for trsuted /advanced users

look at my BB free unlock codes thread for instance

This aint a free service , i have paid for an account which gives me free unlock codes

but i am providing it free to people who have helped or contributed to community is some way

As far as buy and sell goes , its bread and butter for some users

there will be buyng and selling on forum

but the only problem that arises with it is

since money and competition is involved in any business , a businessman wudnt like to share his business secrets , and thats what we see here

the sellers dont wanna share any programming solutions with a fear that the other seller might rip him off

and this is where the loop starts again

But i feel atleast tips/tricks be shared with advanced users , so that the community can benefit

Commercialisation is bound to occur on rimweb , coz demand of imported sets is high here and many people dont wanna buy from usa directly with a fear they might have problems , so they want someone in india to sell them already programmed and this is where people are trying to make money

its a demand and supply relationship

only thing i mind is that the flow of knwoledge / information / hacks

shouldnt stop from one member to another be it a seller or noob or techie ,

neither shud it be kept just for ones own benefit

Share information and support community

Infact i feel that arun should start some sort of donations to the forum , so that money raised can be put back in betterment of community itself , this will take care of leeching also .

[ami1 237]

I really don't think there's any 'over commercialization'.

I've been on the forum sine 2005 i think and I feel its only after some 'commercialization' happened in last 2 years that the forum has become really big and dynamic. Earlier it was more or less limited to comparing RIM schemes and getting different Data cards to run on linux/windows etc.

As I've pointed out earlier unless people get to buy imported handsets most of them really don't need to come to the forum.

Off course, the knowledge sharing part should always happen and people shouldn't hide info just to benefit commercially.

But at the same time its not an issue if someone offers a paid service to do some programming etc. as many people would like that service and it also motivates some people to spend time to find out a fix for certain things.

Trying to kill off commercialization is only going to shift those members to other forums or other means of communication. An entrepreneur will always manage to find ways to go around any walls you erect.

So its much better to keep them here and just ensure that whatever programming type of service they offer must be documented at least in your limited membership techie enclave.

Just my 2p worth of thoughts.

[::Hitesh:: 1,763]

I feel forum need both,

But asking 3K for programing is like cheating.

95% time i don't charge any one for programing, you can ask rimweb users for the same.

5% peoples who cannot follow the guides given by me.

I always give them info free then if they are not able to follow then depending of help require i may charge or may not.

Most of the time I also charge some people but most of them are seller or total newB, Also I charge only Rs500 or Rs 1000

Rs 500 are for my time given to them explaining the each and every details so next time they can do it by them self.

Also if some one says i am doing wrong, they have to answer following questions

1) why should i spend 3-4 hours for programing and explaining all the steps ?

2) When I spend 3-4 hrs for programing, How can I support my family ? in that 4 hr i can do some other work and earn money.

2) I have to use telephone & internet for these works, who will pay my bills ?

2) Except DK and Muffi who helped me when i was in problem ?

3) After helping so many members, how many came back and said thanks ?

4) ones work is done from next day only few people keep in touch, that too for help only.

5) Even after being one of top poster with good repo(around 200 thanks), i dont have access to TE

6) So my knowledge is not given by Rimweb.

About Buy Sell:-

1) what is the use of the forum without having a imported cdma handsets ?

2) If you say I am earning from forum, YES i am earning, but @ what ratio ?

3) My rates are lowest on the forum so its like helping rimweb users by giving them handsets are affordable rates.

4) Healthy discussion about what ? should we discuss only about the rates provided by carriers ? and topic like these :- "my caller tone got activated what should i do? (i am gona die now) " Or Be a vegge like topic ?....LOLz

5) Still there are seller who only do selling put a restriction on them, even after putting a new rules they are not followed by some seller ? why ?

But DK's point is valid,

But I have little different view

Some users are charging which is very high.

they should charge for their time and net, not for the knowledge which gain from rimweb.

Edited May 26, 2010 by ::Hitesh::

[parin 857]

I also Agree With Dhiraj Bhai,

Infact i have been helped much from this forum and all the peoples, Will also like to help people for any help they want, though i am not a techie so dont have much knowlege, but can always share what i know

What i feel if we buy Foreign Handsets without knowledge its troublesome, so seller should help him with that, Or Seller can make guides to help his customers.

Also Seller Should mention Dont's specially for specific handset like ERIS, WHich Should not be Master Reset if done it would need to be unlocked again may be this is applicable for Hero too

[Dj 25]

this is amazing... its like putting a tab on rabbits to stop reproducing...

we discussed this at length sometime back, thanks to Kalpak... few positive changes were introduced too... but i guess this is the chaff with the grain we need to learn to bear with... i guess its about selective input and output that works best here... you make friends and try and help those whose needs you can identify with...

and if at the end of it you feel you were tricked or cheated... well consider it your GURUDAKSHINA

[Mufaddal 678]

@ Hitesh

Lol , who pointed at you ?? or did i miss something

chill !!

Even we dont charge 99% of times , always helping and sharing information

Sometimes i waste hrs of my time helping someone , and when i ask for some help they dont even bother to reply , thats where charging someone ( especially people who are noobs and need spoon feeding) become justified .

So my knowledge is not given by Rimweb.

I dont agree there.

Agreed u dont have access to TE

but then whenever u are stuck or u need help , i have always helped u out with tricks

so in short u know if not on threads , but rimweb people are there to share knowledge

Rimweb is a community , we help each other , so indirectly ur knowledge has been derived from rimweb as well.

One other note , RIMWEB is best community i have come across , with so much communication off forum , that no other forums offer

I have made a of freinds off this forum , and this is what makes me stick to this forum than anywhere else .

So if there is some selling going on , we cant help it much , its users who has to decide what they want

Though ARUN put some good rules in buy and sell section

Atleast our forum is ok , lol if u see mobile-files.us they sell htc hero solution for 200$ ...LOL

Edited May 26, 2010 by Mufaddal

[::Hitesh:: 1,763]

^^^

I have mention your name in my post that you and DK helped me.

But there are so many handsets which are done without anyone help.

No one is pointing at me but I would like to give clear idea about what me on rimweb. (as i am doing selling also)

I also agree 100% about RIMWEB is the best forum till date i know.

that is why i am here !

Also I am very thank full to ARUN for creating RIMWEB !!

I think person who asked 3K for programing, must be a member of mobile-files.us.

they are only to earn not to share.

Edited May 26, 2010 by ::Hitesh::

[konquerror 21]

Well, these days I also feel that rimweb is deviating from the objective it was set for. When I read that someone is asking 3k for programming I was like WTF? I don't say that you devote your time for free...but charges shouldn't be exorbitant...and if some one is asking for help then if you have some knowledge then you should share it...I am not saying you should teach him step by step...like spoon feeding...just redirect him towards some resources/forums/blogs where he can go and get the information...

And rimweb is like family...I have learned many things here...I shared too...and have helped people if they have asked for help...I think we should continue like a family...and should keep sharing the knowledge...

[manishag 17]

well even I agree that RIMweb is the best community I have came across.

and No bread comes for free. if I feel that someone going to use my knowledge for commercial purpose only I'll love to charge him. but if person is good. I am ready to share my knowledge for that.Simple funda non commercial and to help people it's free. but for commercial it's chargeable.

[Genius 817]

^^^ Lets put our thoughts and forget about pointing fingers

Solution and Buy sell (commercial) goes hand and hand

अरे सेट नही होगा तो क्या सल्यूशन का आचार डालेंगे

if some one charged its fine, look at benefits not otherwise,

Hitesh Chill yyar chal have ठंडी लस्सी

BTW temperature in Raipur reached 47 yesterday

[haxpak 6]

I can vouch for Hitesh bhai. He has helped me out sooooooooooooo much and never charged a single rupee.

But, the forum is being commercialized a bit too much. DIY guys who have no commercial interest have no access to technical and programming stuff to protect the interests of a few sellers. Knowledge should be shared. Adventurous people can program their own phones, while people who value time and don't want to take risk will always go for sellers.

[Mufaddal 678]

BTW , yeh 3k programming ki baat nikali kisne ??

person who was asked 3k , can he mind coming here and telling all of use who asked hi 3k and for what and which handset ??

[::Hitesh:: 1,763]

^^^

http://www.rimweb.in...post__p__188173

From this post !

Requesting to PIN this topic !

Edited May 26, 2010 by ::Hitesh::

[ultapulta 3]

I feel forum need both,

But asking 3K for programing is like cheating.

95% time i don't charge any one for programing, you can ask rimweb users for the same.

5% peoples who cannot follow the guides given by me.

I always give them info free then if they are not able to follow then depending of help require i may charge or may not.

Most of the time I also charge some people but most of them are seller or total newB, Also I charge only Rs500 or Rs 1000

Rs 500 are for my time given to them explaining the each and every details so next time they can do it by them self.

Also if some one says i am doing wrong, they have to answer following questions

1) why should i spend 3-4 hours for programing and explaining all the steps ?

2) When I spend 3-4 hrs for programing, How can I support my family ? in that 4 hr i can do some other work and earn money.

2) I have to use telephone & internet for these works, who will pay my bills ?

2) Except DK and Muffi who helped me when i was in problem ?

3) After helping so many members, how many came back and said thanks ?

4) ones work is done from next day only few people keep in touch, that too for help only.

5) Even after being one of top poster with good repo(around 200 thanks), i dont have access to TE

6) So my knowledge is not given by Rimweb.

About Buy Sell:-

1) what is the use of the forum without having a imported cdma handsets ?

2) If you say I am earning from forum, YES i am earning, but @ what ratio ?

3) My rates are lowest on the forum so its like helping rimweb users by giving them handsets are affordable rates.

4) Healthy discussion about what ? should we discuss only about the rates provided by carriers ? and topic like these :- "my caller tone got activated what should i do? (i am gona die now) " Or Be a vegge like topic ?....LOLz

5) Still there are seller who only do selling put a restriction on them, even after putting a new rules they are not followed by some seller ? why ?

But DK's point is valid,

But I have little different view

Some users are charging which is very high.

they should charge for their time and net, not for the knowledge which gain from rimweb.

i agree with u Hitesh bhai....

u have always helped me a lot & spend lots of time on my work....

[drali 6]

I have learnt a lot from the rimweb techies and I find almost every techy very helpful and some are superfast in replying-Dr.Muffadal & Dhiraj kaile

[imshyam 0]

Hi guys !

i got lots more experience with this forum in this 3 years ! whenever some one need's a help .... they called me ..... they made pm for me ....... anytime

but i didn't ignored them (for mine time ) !

whenever some one want my opinion about rimweb.in i always said that this site is Awwwww some ! mine 1st signature Was Help Each Other

and Second was Unity Always Begins With Two.........

but from that time some bloody competition started over here ! mine sign was changed to mine net speed LOL.........( Yup This Competition is Bloody not Healthy )

and this is not bad that to sell something with the help of this Forum ! but not to cheat Forum member ! ( in Any case Like Programming or some tech support ) man this is u r knowledge By giving it to others it will not become less

some one will get his life line with the help of this forum that must be Best !

Hats Off to u Arun !

Regards

Shyam

Edited May 28, 2010 by imshyam

[vinodchacko 2]

hey guys,

I was asked 3k by one of the members for the phone configuration and I know one more guy ( another newbie ) here who was asked the amount to get his phone unlocked. I am a member of this forum since mid 2007, but unfortunately I haven't been an active member. And I think most of the gurus here help those guys who are active contributors to the forum. ( That should be the reason why I haven't received a response from many guys whom I have contacted for a help ) - I admit that its a fault from my side that I've been a very passive member but I believe we should extend the helping hand irrespective of the post count if it is really needed.

Well, commercialisation of an entity will happen as it grows and if there is a way for others to earn from it... If the entity itself can head the commercialisation part, that will be a much better solution... ( may be a store for rimweb, where the store will sell handsets and solutions at a competitive price? ) so that the website also will be benefited through it.. after all money matters! I do not see a major issue with that.

Here, the question is should we allow ourself to get exploited... I could have saved many days' work if I paid 3k and let them configure my phone. In that case, I'd loose all the thrill in configuring the phone, and the joy when I saw my Hero ringing for the first time, at around 3 AM... and the joy when I was holding 2 phones on my 2 ears and checking if voice is working... and calling my friends at that time to share the joy!

I proudly says that I configured my phone from scratch.. and I can help any one who need help to configure their hero..

Next is the money... If I paid the 3k to get my phone configured, I could have bought one from the sellers here ... no need to import from the US.

I think I am clear here!

[chintan1 6]

Hi guys ,

As in we grow in size commercialization is tend to happen . More & more imported handsets are coming in the forum as result more queries & solution for that . But knowledge sharing should also be done at the same rate .

Charging for getting phone programmed is OK , but it should be nominal & not exorbitant

Thanks to DK, Muffy sir , Hiteshbhai , Sadikk & all other Rim guru for sharing there knowledge here

This are my personal opinion .