Roshanmohapatra 5 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 We may get the phone cheaper which has a bad esn. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Beta-5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Parinbaba's iPhone5 16GB listing at Rs 57,990 is superhit on Ebay. 31 Sold >> http://www.ebay.in/i...#ht_9454wt_1033 At the same time, 4 buyers have bought iPhone 4S 16GB at Rs 66,999 >> http://www.ebay.in/i...7#ht_2125wt_906 I simply don't understand the logic behind people buying an old model iPhone 4S without warranty at much higher price then iPhone5 when the same is available officially with warranty in india around 42-44K! "If you don't have an iPhone, But you still have an iBrain!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vinod Nayak 443 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Congrats Parin Bhai. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parin 857 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Front Page Economic Times Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Here’s the Chip Apple Is Using to Stop You from Buying Cheap Cables Source If you bought yourself an iPhone 5, and are looking for a cheap, third-party lightning adapter to save a couple of bucks, you might want to hold off. There's an authenticator chip in the official adapters, and third-party adapters probably won't work without it. Peter from Double Helix Cables found the obnoxious little chip while dissecting one of the new, official Lighting cables. Positioned between the cord's USB contact and the power pin on the Lightning plug, the chip seems to be the key to keeping Lighting cables and adapters proprietary. These kind of authentication chips aren't uncommon in more sophisticated accessories, but this is the first time one has shown up in something as basic as a charging cable, smack in the middle of the power line. According the Peter, the chip doesn't block the data lines, but you need data and power to connect by USB. That could mean any number of things. This could mean that it's less nefarious than a authentication system, that it's just for power regulation - but it looks like a serious microcontroller of some sort, it doesn't look like a garden variety voltage regulator that I've ever seen. It has a mirror-finish shiny metal exterior with lasered numbers on it, it does not look like a generic black IC. If it really costs $3.50 for a lightning plug, then it could be something quite high tech. Whatever it is, it's expensive and highly miniaturized. And the cable isn't going to function without it, that I can tell at this point. "There is basically no way [third-party adapters] are functional cables," Peter told Apple Insider. "You can't just build a Lightning cable by making something with the same shape and connectivity." That means that all those third-party connectors out there will fit the ports on your devices, sure, but they probably aren't going to actually work. What looks like a $10, $20, or $30 savings could very well wind up being a waste, so if you're in a hurry, official adapters are probably the best bet. If you aren't, you can sit tight and see if someone can figure out how to fake those chips, but it could wind up being pretty difficult. Peter put it this way in an email to us: It remains to be seen whether the chip can be reverse engineered. Nobody that I know of managed to crack the MFi program before, since digital Apple docks and other MFi certified stuff were always quite costly and only coming from well established name brands that participated in the program. I never saw any off brand, super cheap version of the iPod USB digital audio interfaces that cost hundreds of dollars. If the chip has some code on board that makes it authenticate with the iPhone, then it may be hard to duplicate for sure. If it's doing a "smart" function like pin assignment or something crazy like that, then it definitely is going to be mandatory. Apple has said it's a "smart" connector but it is horrifying that just a basic power charging/sync cord like this requires additional complexity. But until some serious engineers figure out exactly what the chips do (MFi people are under NDA so I don't think they can tell us without breaking NDA) then it remains open for debate why this cable is like this. It could take some serious engineering brain-power to get to the bottom of what this chip is actually doing. Until then, first-party is the only surefire option. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KanagaDeepan 1,084 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Apple is too crazy when rest of world is moving towards standard microUSB chargers, they are now complicating things for even chargers... But apple's arrogance need not be blamed here... All we have to blame is people who still accept its arrogance and more than willing to pay hefty for the same.. They are making apple feel that their level of arrogance is still in tolerance limits... I have seen one Rajan ji's post where few fellows bought iPhone4s for around 66k, whereas iPhone5 and even official iPhone4s is selling for much less... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitalnirvana 646 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Mera wireless, tera wireless, hamara wireless - congratulations Parin bhai! Please excuse typos and brevity, sent while mobile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snorlax 319 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Apple is too crazy when rest of world is moving towards standard microUSB chargers, they are now complicating things for even chargers... But apple's arrogance need not be blamed here... All we have to blame is people who still accept its arrogance and more than willing to pay hefty for the same.. They are making apple feel that their level of arrogance is still in tolerance limits...I have seen one Rajan ji's post where few fellows bought iPhone4s for around 66k, whereas iPhone5 and even official iPhone4s is selling for much less... there is more to it than meets the eye. No one will buy iphone4s for that price:) Tapatalking........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahul Always 87 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 Looks like Parin bhai is making a killing pandering to the iSheep! Well congratulations Parin! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
csmart 472 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 this is apple way to rack in more moolah.. it is pretty simple, they are eliminating all cheap accessories manufacturers so almost monopoly. This way they can demand any price and consumer has no point but to buy. ON positive side, Apple is making sure that no sub standard products for iPhone, everything should be top class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted September 26, 2012 there is more to it than meets the eye. No one will buy iphone4s for that price:) You're suggesting any conspiracy theory? Give us the dope! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 Apple CEO Tim Cook Says Sorry To Customers... Writes an open letter to Customers which is featured prominently on apple website front page. This is unlike apple of the Steve Jobs era where you heard "You're holding the phone wrong"! He even goes to the extent of asking customers to use alternatives till they improve. Excerpts From The Letter.. To our customers, At Apple, we strive to make world-class products that deliver the best experience possible to our customers. With the launch of our new Maps last week, we fell short on this commitment. We are extremely sorry for the frustration this has caused our customers and we are doing everything we can to make Maps better. While we’re improving Maps, you can try alternatives by downloading map apps from the App Store like Bing, MapQuest and Waze, or use Google or Nokia maps by going to their websites and creating an icon on your home screen to their web app. Everything we do at Apple is aimed at making our products the best in the world. We know that you expect that from us, and we will keep working non-stop until Maps lives up to the same incredibly high standard. Tim Cook Apple’s CEO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitalnirvana 646 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 If Jobs was there he would have never allowed such a messed up application to be launched. However much we criticize him he knew what the customer wants. That aura is gone now and Tim Cook simply does not give that level of confidence and charisma when he speaks, troubled times ahead for Apple I guess. Please excuse typos and brevity, sent while mobile. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkdeep 6 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 I felt, It is a welcome change. Somebody stood up and said "We screwed up and We are sorry" compare to the old arrogance. Gives me hope about Apple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KanagaDeepan 1,084 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 (edited) If Jobs was there he would have never allowed such a messed up application to be launched. However much we criticize him he knew what the customer wants. That aura is gone now and Tim Cook simply does not give that level of confidence and charisma when he speaks, troubled times ahead for Apple I guess. Please excuse typos and brevity, sent while mobile. I don't think so.. If Jobs was there, he would have just said "You are seeing it WRONG" and will NEVER EVER say apology, imho... Even Tim Cook was equally evil, but the exact words from too many apple fans (If Jobs were there, Maps would have been released in much better state) forced him to apologize, imho... Edited September 29, 2012 by KanagaDeepan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smnrock 16 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 CEO is responsible for QA of each application? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitalnirvana 646 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 KD ji, I beg to disagree. What Jobs pointed out was that EVERY phone in the world has some place in it's body where if you hold it, then you will lose signal - because you are grounding the antenna through touch. He proved this by comparing a HTC phone with iPhone. He never said it is not an issue - he said it is not a defect of the iPhone. As a software tester I agree with what Steve said. First, he explained how antennas work. Second, he explained how by touching that particular part of the iPhone you are blocking the signal. Third, he explained that this occurs in various ways in various parts of the phone body for EVERY phone by clearly comparing with competing HTC phone. Fourth, he offered free returns to unhappy customers. Fifth, he offered free cases to customers to avoid the issue. I will stand by my guns and say Jobs was a specialist in understanding customer experience. And how when what a customer wants. The antenna gate issue affected less than 5 percent of actual users complaining. But Maps is a widespread disaster with thousands upon thousands of complaints. It is an unfinished poorly coded piece of sh*t that should not have shipped in the first place. Tim Cook should fire the maps designer with immediate effect. Poor QA from a company which prides itself on perfection is simply not acceptable. If Jobs was alive this would not have happened. I have no way to prove it, but it's a gut feeling considering how he churned out brilliantly designed hardware in the past. Please excuse typos and brevity, sent while mobile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amtrag 20 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 True. If Jobs were there, this map-gate would not have happened in the first place. So even his arrogance was not without justification. Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KanagaDeepan 1,084 Report post Posted September 29, 2012 Sorry Dipan ji... I have to dis-agree with most of your points too... For those who hate big Rants, here is the subject I have discussed:- 1. I agree iOS6 Maps is a blunder mistake 2. I beg to differ Antennagate is NOT a small blunder either (Bcoz more people use iPhone for calls than for Maps/Direction, imho) 3. I am NOT sure, if Jobs would have let iOS6 Maps out like Tim has done 4. But if point No3 done, he WOULD NEVER asked for apology as Tim, imho 5. I have explained Antennagate better and MORE HONEST than Jobs here ====================================================================== What Jobs pointed out was that EVERY phone in the world has some place in it's body where if you hold it, then you will lose signal - because you are grounding the antenna through touch. He proved this by comparing a HTC phone with iPhone. He never said it is not an issue - he said it is not a defect of the iPhone. That is actually a fault due to apple's choice of "FORM OVER FUNCTION".. IT IS NOT A SMALL MISTAKE to take it easily, imho... The UNUSUAL place selected for placing the antenna is a BLUNDER MISTAKE and user touching that area is NOT THE FAULT OF USER, as many users (esp left-handers) hold the phone on that spot... I agree it is not a defect of the phone... It is actually the defect of THE PHONE MAKER (phonemaker's decision to be precise)... iPhone4 was really a MAGICAL device, because with a simple touch it will become iPod_Touch... I agree in each and every phone, if you touch antenna DIRECTLY there will be SMALL drop in signal.. So each and every cell phone maker either places antenna in two places (like Nokia in E71, in iPhone4S, etc) or atleast in places where customer rarely touches (extreme top/bottom) or uses laminate/shield to avoid DIRECT contact or combination of the three said methods... But in iPhone4 that antenna area was touched DIRECTLY VERY EASILY and it DROPS (not small drop like others) calls.. I have seen this in my friend's iPhone4 and the problem was very very much minimised after applying NAIL-POLISH on the metal gap (Laminate/shielding antenna)... First, he explained how antennas work. Second, he explained how by touching that particular part of the iPhone you are blocking the signal. Third, he explained that this occurs in various ways in various parts of the phone body for EVERY phone by clearly comparing with competing HTC phone. This reminds me one proverb "First look at the dirt on your back... You can see others' later".. Yes, he demoed on HTC device, N97 and many devices.. BUT THAT IS NOT THE WAY people hold the phone usually.. But in case of iPhone4, the signal drop occurs even when people hold that phone normally (esp for left handers)... If that is NOT wrong, why its changed in iPhone4_Verizon and iPhone4S??? Fourth, he offered free returns to unhappy customers. Fifth, he offered free cases to customers to avoid the issue. You are soo kind and less demanding to see these as good-will gestures... But what I want to say is "DID HE HAS A CHOICE AT THAT TIME?????" The antenna gate issue affected less than 5 percent of actual users complaining. But, does this means only 5% phone's antenna is outside and all other phones have the antenna inside??? NO, if thats the case, it was a defect of phone and what we are seeing is the defect in phonemaker's decision... Then why that 5%??? It is because less than 5% people are left-handers... I will stand by my guns and say Jobs was a specialist in understanding customer experience. And how when what a customer wants. NOT exactly, but he is successful in making many people to think so, imho... [Thats another rant for another day] But Maps is a widespread disaster with thousands upon thousands of complaints. It is an unfinished poorly coded piece of sh*t that should not have shipped in the first place. Tim Cook should fire the maps designer with immediate effect. I 100% agree... Poor QA from a company which prides itself on perfection is simply not acceptable. If Jobs was alive this would not have happened. I have no way to prove it, but it's a gut feeling considering how he churned out brilliantly designed hardware in the past. Thats why I am NOT ready to agree it either, my friend... (And I think you are NOT referring to the Antenna when talking about BRILLIANTLY DESIGNED HARDWARE) But one thing, if JOBS was now here and he somehow approved these blunderful Maps (JUST AN assumption), I CAN SWEAR THAT HE WILL NEVER ask for APOLOGY.. ASKING APOLOGY needs combination of honesty, courage without arrogance, some cases -- necessity... Jobs had none of the above and Tim's reason is last one.. At the worst case, Jobs may say like "Even Google maps are NOT accurate in Antartica.. Nokia Maps are showing Andes mountains as flat.." But MINIMUM ATLEAST he would have blamed others like "TomTom (their Maps data supplier) cheated us with in-accurate data and am going to sue the hell-outta them.. Our data server has got corrupted and Maps will be corrected in next update" I am NOT saying Tim Cook is better than Jobs... He is asking apology NOT after he noted the blunders.. He is asking apology only after SOOO MANY users like Dipan ji and others started complaining/comparing him with Jobs and started saying "Tim is making apple ashame, After Jobs there will be NO apple anymore" (Though both are TRUE).. Both Tim and Jobs are EVIL and Tim is less EVIL than Jobs, imho... Why??? The question "Which is BIGGEST blunder? iOS6 Maps or Antennagate" is debatable [my vote to later] and may NOT have single/simple answer... But the answer to [Which is BETTER? Asking apology OR saying "YOU ARE HOLDING IT WRONG"] is simple and thats why these much rant... Again I repeat as SUMMARY:- 1. I agree iOS6 Maps is a blunder mistake 2. I beg to differ Antennagate is NOT a small blunder either (Bcoz more people use iPhone for calls than for Maps/Direction, imho) 3. I am NOT sure, if Jobs would have let iOS6 Maps out like Tim has done 4. But if point No3 done, he WOULD NEVER asked for apology as Tim, imho 5. I have explained Antennagate better and MORE HONEST than Jobs here 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krishnendu halder 24 Report post Posted September 30, 2012 very nice xplanation! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Mercury levels and discussion have hot up to burning level. Where is my dear Doctor Genius Kuchh cool photo boto chipkao bhai... Sabki aankho ko aur kaleje jo thandak mile! Edited September 30, 2012 by rajanmehta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitalnirvana 646 Report post Posted September 30, 2012 KD ji we don't know Jobs or Cook personally or otherwise. We only know them through their acts. A lot of what you posted about Jobs is your personal opinion, similarly I also might have contrary opinions. But at the end of the day, these are just opinions nothing more nothing less - not facts, just opinions. Who is to decide who is evil? If Apple is evil, is Google not evil (have you read tiered internet plans of Verizon and Google where only Verizon Google users will have preferential access to internet and others will be treated as second class users in speed/bandwidth etc which destroys the concept of free internet completely!)? Is Facebook not evil (continuously poaching Google employees)? Anyway everything you wrote is a personal opinion, same for me. Let's keep the debate for other threads and let others continue on topic. Please excuse typos and brevity, sent while mobile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genius 817 Report post Posted September 30, 2012 Remember friends nothing is personal Take things with Open Mind Open Hand Things will seem not so bad soon Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahul Always 87 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 Should you buy the iPhone 4/4S now? Or even go for the iPhone 5? A very balanced view about the iPhone 5 - something which I liked Seriously, if we were in your place, we’d be buying the iPhone 4 / 4S now instead of reading this post. The good news is that Apple is launching iPhone 5 in India and as expected, the prices of iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S have been slashed. The bad news is the Apple phones are still out of reach for most of us. The new price of iPhone 4S is now Rs. 41,500 (down by Rs. 3000 from earlier Rs. 44,500) and the price of iPhone 4 (8GB) version has been slashed to Rs. 28,500 from earlier 37,900 – whopping difference of Rs. 9400. That said, we’re still looking for official price of iPhone 5 in India and we estimate it to cost just about half a lakh rupees. Apple die-hard fanboys – be ready to please your credit cards. Now, those numbers are still on the higher side for most of the smartphones available in India. Samsung’s recently launched pricy gadget, the Galaxy Note II is available for Rs. 40,000. If iPhone 5 retails for about Rs. 50k in India, it’d be the most costly phone available in Indian markets. Should you buy iPhone 5? Our honest answer is ‘no’. Actually, it’s not much of a decision if you’ve been following Apple iPhone 5 news. There are several ‘USP’ features that just won’t work in India and that includes the natural voice powered assistant ‘Siri’ and the Maps. Apple’s CEO Tim Cook’s already said ‘Sorry’ to the users for the big iOS Maps mess. We strongly believe that if you *must* buy an iPhone, you should go with the iPhone 4S or even better then iPhone 4. You now have a decent hardware and a good operating system at an affordable price and you won’t lose ‘much’ from iPhone 5. iPhone 3GS has been discontinued already. We’re still looking for the iPhone 5 launch date in India – and it’s estimated that the phone will come around the Diwali season – the time of the year when Indians open their wallets. That’d be a perfect timing for the iPhone 5 to arrive in India, but the estimated price makes us bit uncomfortable. We’ll of course keep you updated with news and our advices. So stay tuned for more. Source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pasumark 51 Report post Posted October 3, 2012 If you think with your Brain, then you will never buy Iphone. You have so many better options. But Iphone is status symbol. People buy just to say they have Iphone. People like us who love to play with devices and not just to show off will never buy an Iphone. Iphone is a good phone, but never worth its price. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
