rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Revised Buy-Sell Guideline Suggestion There are requests for changes in buy-sell guidelines due to some recent not so good experience from some newbie sellers. I thought of opening a fresh topic where we all can put our view forward and then Admin/Mods can take a final call. Background: As we all can see, recently there is increase in number of sellers who come on this forum ONLY for selling/making a quick buck/treating it as more of a BUSINESS. Getting a properly configured imported handset at a great price has been one of the unique attribute attached with this forum. This is enhanced by the fact that there is a reputed seller system where certain things are pre assured. Even for sellers who have not been in the reputed seller category, most of them are regular on the forum, contribute/help in various technical/other discussion. All this has resulted in most of the buyers attaching a much higher TRUST level to ANY sell topic here on this forum then others. Presumption from most buyers is always that every sell topic is good, buyer will get the items quickly, as described and with proper communication. Objective: The first objective of the forum is sharing of knowledge, help in technical matters. Buying/Selling though very important but is not THE primary thing for which the forum stands. It will be good if there are more reputed sellers but NEWBIES/Non Serious players who are here to make a fast buck/extra/side income can't be encouraged/allowed. Ofcourse if they are serious & continue with the forum, they will surely migrate to the next level in the long run. The system has to be designed as such. Regular Members who are selling occassionally OR single handsets (Upon changing/upgrading the handset) should face no difficulty/obstruction in posting their sell topics. (Ofcourse should comply with all rules) Proposed Changes in Buy-Sell Guidelines: Minimum number of posts for opening a sell topic for a single item should be 25 & Member since not less than 2 Month. (Applicable for All Members). If someone wants to open a sell topic with multiple items at a time, then the Minimum number of posts should be 100 & Member since not less than 6 Month. Someone wanting to sell multiple items but not having 100 posts but having 25 posts can post sell topics with a SINGLE item only, finish the transaction, receive the feedback & then open another topic for another item. No multiple ITEM sell post in the same topic to be allowed. All instances of sellers posting that he is having x phone/phones in stock for sell without actually giving complete details as per Buy-Sell guidelines should be strictly prohibited. There have been multiple instances of such practice recently with even the current problem sell topic of the fella with less then 10 posts having such post. See HERE in the third post he is mentioning handsets for sell without mentioning any details. This was not NOTICED/ACTED/ UPON. oh i forgot i have a xperia ion its brand new! and also have samsung exhilarate in like new condition both GSM unlocked and costs 19500 and 12500 respectively. Not trying to blame anyone. Admin/Mods here do a wonderful job always. But we have only 2 Active as of today. Arun & Kamalbhai. Pretty busy too. Also this is complete free SEVA. It's entirely understadable that every topic may not receive every attention all the time. But then we should think of APPOINTING additional MODERATOR/s who can contribute. For used phone sell topic, minimum of 6 photographs compulsory displaying front/back and all 4 sides. As soon as the sell is closed, the posting member asks for closing the topic and it's closed immediately. No sell topic should be closed untill the buyer has posted the feedback. A separate TOPIC named Buyer's Checklist for Online Imported CDMA Handset Buying on RIMWeb should be created and a link to that topic should be made mandatory to be placed in all sell topics in RED Color (Except may be of Reputed Sellers). Possible Content of that topic given below Buyer's Checklist for Online Imported CDMA Handset Buying On RIMWeb Have you taken complete details of the seller like Full Address/Contact/Email/Numbers? Have you confirmed with the seller all details regarding MEID Registration/EVDO Data/Configuration/Activation? Have you confirmed with the seller regarding what services he will offer regarding above during initial sell & at the time of resale? Have you confirmed whether above services are free or chargeable? If chargeable, What will be the charges? Have you kept details of all communication with seller whether through pm/email handy? This will help in the event of a dispute. Have you satisfied yourself with the seller credentials/reputation/regular availability on the forum? Have you verified how long the seller is on the forum & checked the past feedbacks if any? Request all members to please share your inputs/suggestions regarding any of the above. 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
admirer2000 100 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Guideline values for the phones can be displayed under a topic separately - just like Land deals. Whichever is the lowest price for a particular model can be highlighted so that buyers will clearly know whether it is a 'genuine sale' or 'Tempting' Sale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shreesh 406 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 What if we make seller category like this:- Reputed Seller----> as it is Genuine Seller New Seller 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
digitalnirvana 646 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 I have been meaning to post this for a long time... I recommend Rajan Mehta for immediate promotion to moderatorship. He is active on the forum, highly respected and trusted. Plus he has common sense which is must for a mod. He is very right in saying there are only 2 maybe 3 active mods on the website and it is not possible for anyone to go through every post. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgdelhi 192 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Excellent thread. Excellent suggestions. I recommend Rajan Mehta for immediate promotion to moderatorship. He is active on the forum, highly respected and trusted. Plus he has common sense which is must for a mod. +1. My vote too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phonegeek 588 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 I have been meaning to post this for a long time... I recommend Rajan Mehta for immediate promotion to moderatorship. He is active on the forum, highly respected and trusted. Plus he has common sense which is must for a mod. He is very right in saying there are only 2 maybe 3 active mods on the website and it is not possible for anyone to go through every post. Yes, it was in my mind for long time but I didn't post thinking that there may be some number of posts criteria and that is why he might not be eligible. Didn't know if this kind of criteria is there or not. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rahul Always 87 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 The new / updated buy-sell guidelines have become necessary simply because of one incident which has revealed certain limitations which can be exploited as of now. In a way, we should all be glad it happened. Unfortunately, more and more people are joining this forum merely to sell handsets and sharing of knowledge has become a premium. I have a suggestion which may or may not sound practical. Why not restrict the number of sellers at any point of time to a fixed number? It can be any number 10, 15, 20.... whatever as deemed fit. But no one else can be allowed to sell unless someone drops out of the seller list. This can ensure that people who join this forum do not do so merely to become a seller but rather to share/increase their knowledge. I happened to read the discussion in the previous post where someone had objected to the idea of stopping more members from being sellers since this might restrict the available options available to the valuable members from benefiting the option of better handsets at reasonable rates. IMHO, that is something which most members would be willing to give a miss if they are assured that handsets available here are genuine as are the sellers. There could be a waiting list available for others who want to start selling here which could be moderated so that as soon as one present seller drops out, the first person in the queue is permitted to join in and so on. Sounds quite complicated but then that would lead to better command and control. It would also ensure that people who are genuinely in love with technology remain and the remaining are filtered out. Having said that, am surprised that Rajan Mehta is not a moderator in this forum. Considering the amount of help he has been providing to everyone out here (which is completely voluntary and unpaid), he certainly deserves to be upgraded (unless of course he personally is against the elevation). These are merely my observations in response to the request by OP. More points as and when I am able to think up more Regards Rahul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shreesh 406 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 I would also suggest DL, RM and aalok in moderator list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amit.shippie 135 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 1. My vote for Rajan Ji & also Dr. Vinay for moderator. Both are well known, helping,highly trusted and most of the time active on forum. 2. I think criteria of number of post for selling should be divided in 2 group : A. Bulk sellers: AA. Minimum number of post 200 (Also Buy sell posts/queries should not be counted same as general chat) AB. Minimum 6 months membership. AC. Valid address proof and ID proof. AD. First 10 selling post one by one only. Once a buyer gives feedback than only next selling post should be allowed. Now days if we look many people are coming for selling only. I think members should refrain buying from such sellers by their own. Its like Chinese phones No investment in R&D only business. Technology is growing due to brands who are investing a large part of money in R&D. Same applies to Rimweb sellers vs new sellers also. B. Regular Members selling one or two piece for upgrades or for community: For this category criteria should be decided by moderators. In my opinion current buy/sell guidelines are enough for this category. A buyer guidelines also required now such as posting feedback within prescribed timing for each transaction should be mandatory. Above all are my personal opinion and no intention to hurt anyone. Keep surfing Rimweb, where u will find such community/people in this world 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami1 237 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) As usual Rajan's ideas are pretty sensible & sufficient for addressing this issue:- a.) Increase minimum post requirement to 25 / 100 posts for single / multiple open sell threads (or maybe even higher; newbie sales isn't a priority here) b.) Have 2 months / 12 months membership requirement for single / multiple open sell threads c.) Have 1 additional category of sellers with more than 1-2 years membership - as suggested by Shreesh. Additionally, we could have a big red disclaimer on sell posts of members less than 1-2 years that Rimweb recommends that "newbie buyers" should only buy from the other 2 categories OR they should ask seller to put item on ebay and buy through paisapay. Since its only 1 incident I don't think we should do much beyond this. That post with so many phones was anyway not looking serious at all. And Rajan should definitely be a moderator to help ease the load on others. (I always assumed he is - devotes an exceptionally large amount of time here helping everyone). Edited January 3, 2013 by ami1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astrokidvaibhav 37 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Listing on ebay is a very good idea since ebay fees for CDMA phones is only 1% of final sale price. And it would also give the buyers a sense of security. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guru Gopal 589 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Listing on ebay is a very good idea since ebay fees for CDMA phones is only 1% of final sale price. And it would also give the buyers a sense of security. is it correct? 1% ebay fee. Wow!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ankurcshah 112 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 It is 12.5% not 1% . Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramtech 47 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Limiting the number of sellers is not a good idea.If it is implemented buyers will miss many good options and genuine buyers. For new sellers listing on ebay is one good option and can be made mandatory.Cost of listing is not deterrent as it is very low.Also buyers can use credit card and discount vouchers. For reputed sellers ebay listing can be optional. Edited January 4, 2013 by ramtech Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astrokidvaibhav 37 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 I am extremely sorry.. I must have seen an old tariff card or something.. Limiting the number of sellers is not a good idea.It it is implemented buyers will miss many good options and genuine buyers.For new sellers listing on ebay is one good option and can be made mandatory.Cost of listing is not deterrent as it is very low.Also buyers can use credit card and discount vouchers. For reputed sellers ebay listing can be optional. Yup there is always some or other coupon available from ebay.. That could be of good use to the buyers and the sellers.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 119 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 i read some where -" A crisis always leads to a game changing revolution ! " im seeing it live ,+1 for rajan ji to be a mod, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nkk 6 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 i liked parin's way of taking courier fees via ebay. This is an added security since no one would want to be black listed at ebay/paypal and lose his potential earnings in the long run. new sellers could be made to follow this practice to cover a few % of their earnings. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Honest 836 Report post Posted January 3, 2013 Rajan Babu, many thanks for posting such a nice thread with very valuable suggestions to improve the buy / sell guidelines. +1 Its great to see members participating in this thread and giving valuable suggestions.....so please keep suggesting as much as you can, so that the Admin team could take the appropriate steps to update the Buy / Sell Guidelines. Even a small suggestion from you could be useful for the community. See HERE in the third post he is mentioning handsets for sell without mentioning any details. This was not NOTICED/ACTED/ UPON.oh i forgot i have a xperia ion its brand new! and also have samsung exhilarate in like new condition both GSM unlocked and costs 19500 and 12500 respectively. The above post definitely deserved not to be approved at all......but some Moderator would have approved it by mistake. Anyways, such posts should be reported on immediate basis by using the report button available in every post on the right side bottom.....I request members here to act as Moderators and report every post which you think is against the Forum Rules & Guidelines. Not trying to blame anyone. Admin/Mods here do a wonderful job always. But we have only 2 Active as of today. Arun & Kamalbhai. Pretty busy too. Also this is complete free SEVA. It's entirely understadable that every topic may not receive every attention all the time. Hats off to Arun (Admin) here.....as he is the one who do most of the moderation work......I'm nowhere comparable to him. Arun's contribution to this community is much more compared to any other Mods. / Super Mods. I recommend Rajan Mehta for immediate promotion to moderatorship. He is active on the forum, highly respected and trusted. Plus he has common sense which is must for a mod. As this community is increasing day by day, so we do need more active Moderators for sure.....Long ago, I recommended Mr. Rajan Mehta's name as Moderator on the forum to the Admin Team.....I hope his name as Moderator is already under consideration. Dear friends, keep posting your valuable suggestions so that we can do the needful and revise the Buy / Sell Guidelines at the earliest. 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rohitgaur 78 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Dear Friends I believe Ebay Charges can be managed with Seller Margins at least for new Sellers. There is no control over newbies coming, writing comments on regular topics and reaching 10 post or 50 post mark. It will also help moderator to control unwanted traffic. IMHO , A seller selling in Ebay has a larger audience and him being here will give us the option to buy Classy Phones vide credit cards and EMIs.. I understand this puts a burden on New "Entry-Pruners" (Pun intended) but it saves some of the new ones from getting duped. I began here with buying Phones from Sadikk and at one point he was the Best , but then he became commercial and less forum minded which thrives on trust and help. Now he is not selling here, Ditto for Hitesh......See these were great guys and they went away. And of course : I too recommend Rajan Bhai and Aalok as Moderators. Additionally Some of us can be active Volunteers as to notify any suspicious activity or out of the line content specifically for Market Like Kapil /Parin/ Even Myself I wouldnt Mind being a volunteer just for reporting any such thing to Mods. (I m not a seller per se and I have no commercial Interest) It is a joint forum and a great one. We have relations being created here. Let us conserve our family and our group and control fly by night operators. Cheers....... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parin 857 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 discussion ho hi raha hai... toh i was wondering if we can have discussion abt seller protection as well....... At times, i felt need for that as well... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gargoyle 15 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 discussion ho hi raha hai...toh i was wondering if we can have discussion abt seller protection as well....... At times, i felt need for that as well... Can you elaborate more on this please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
admirer2000 100 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) I recommend Rajan Mehta for immediate promotion to moderatorship. He is active on the forum, highly respected and trusted. Plus he has common sense which is must for a mod. As this community is increasing day by day, so we do need more active Moderators for sure.....Long ago, I recommended Mr. Rajan Mehta's name as Moderator on the forum to the Admin Team.....I hope his name as Moderator is already under consideration. Good in a way that Mr. Rajan Mehta as Mods is under Consideration - since all his sharable time is 100% required for searching best Discounts for us Edited January 4, 2013 by admirer2000 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ami1 237 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Kamal Bhai, please decide rules and re-open selling section quickly as I have to urgently sell one home theater BEFORE my wife comes back from Lucknow next week ! Have ended up buying 3 different models for use in one single bedroom - since none of them were perfect in terms of some finicky requirements i had (must fit bedroom shelf, have at least 100 watt rms & browse USB folders without TV display, and wireless subwoofer so that wires can be minimized - for the all important cleaning rituals of wife) Either re-open the thread before she's back OR i'll shift to your or Arun's house with the 3 music systems for a permanent party. And also have to sell Nexus 7 as daughter is reading ebooks 2-3 hours every day and it may affect her eyes etc. will replace with kindle/nook Edited January 4, 2013 by ami1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rajanmehta 4,056 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 ^^^ Haha.. Sell threads are open to be posted and you fulfill all the eligibility criteria! But your post is meant more as a black humour! Which was really enjoyable!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vishal27 11 Report post Posted January 4, 2013 Sorry for input here as a Member title.. #May be helpful one suggestion to forum: * Each post-end should be with last 5 digits of IMEI / MEID Number, with that buyers can identify the phone with said / mentioned points. +1 for Rajanji. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
