sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 3, 2004 i dont think just because tata is there reliance cannot be there. if that was the case then only 1 gsm mobile service provider would have been there. i think the only prob is that because of dapo users they r not able to reach a revenue sharing agreement. because dapo users have sms free. also the sms charge will be double when using such a service. as soon as they have worked out an agreement it will be available for us too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jigar657 0 Report post Posted March 3, 2004 I jus fear that since TATA has signed in with Yahoo for this service now, Reliance might not be able to now partner Yahoo for it. Monopoly games jus everywhere!! Atleast Reliance should now tie up with MSN for this... thats illogical ... chirag... now that u r saying tata's in yahoo messenger...i m sure reliance will soon be in it. this is i guess the first thing where tata is before reliance otherwise everytime tata used to lag behind...be it sms services, or roaming services or whatever... good news is that when i called customer care they told that already some people are given this facility for testing purposes. so soon it may be officially launched. jigar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 i dont think just because tata is there reliance cannot be there. if that was the case then only 1 gsm mobile service provider would have been there. Well jus to let u'll know, till late the different operators that u find in yahoo msger were not from the same circle. If u notice carefully, those players were carefully chosen. Like from every town there can be only one operator. So even if there are several operators in that list, none of them are competing against each other!! Jus recently they've added other operators, but somehow their subscriber bases are irrelevant... Like till now, MSN has just Hutch(Orange) in their list of operators for INDIA. And moreover Hutch even charges for incoming SMS for MSN Services!! Still they r the only ones there!! Its a game of monopoly. So am jus afraid tht Reliance could be kept away from it... Anyways, who'd be the most happiest if this service is extended to Rel, more than me?? i think the only prob is that because of dapo users they r not able to reach a revenue sharing agreement. because dapo users have sms free. also the sms charge will be double when using such a service. Well here again, sunil, DAPO users r in the minimum, so its not really significant. As far as the charges go, thts where the inter-operatibility agreements come into picture, and in such cases, its not really the fees, its like getting Reliance customers hitting Yahoo! links... Its really the hits on their domain, which in turn would get them more sponsors to advt on Yahoo automatically, looking at the 7-8mn Reliance customer base. Thts how they look at it... They may give Rel this facility free too. Reliance is smart at getting their way out. We've experienced their marketing managers in bombay over such issues first handedly...! i guess the first thing where tata is before reliance otherwise everytime tata used to lag behind...be it sms services, or roaming services or whatever... Its not the question of being the first, coz in TATA's case, they hardly market their services well. They too r using the world's finest 3G CDMA. But look at their market penetration! sad! They r not tht risk-playing company. Its been their trademark to play defensively, slowly n gradually. But they keep in mind their quality of service. Today no one is complaining abt their billing, roamin or sms! good news is that when i called customer care they told that already some people are given this facility for testing purposes. so soon it may be officially launched. oh aren't u aware of their cust care dudes, thts a regular reply, u cant really bet on this!! heheh... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharad 0 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Chirag, R u sure that hutch charges for incoming sms from msn?? Its against the spirit of smsing I think. U r rite that players by yahoo and msn are carefully chosen. But recently I read a news bite in economic times that as the sms to yahoo are charged a bit more (sms to 8242 series) a portion of this goes to yahoo inc. and thats why now they are inreasing the number of operators to which they offer service. A clear example of the above is here....Like u said to maintain monopoly, in delhi telecom circle yahoo msngr was accessible only by Hutch subscribers, but just few months back Airtel has also joined in and in no way airtel has lower subscriber base in delhi than hutch, in fact airtel has more subscribers in delhi. Sharad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 Well jus to let u'll know, till late the different operators that u find in yahoo msger were not from the same circle. If u notice carefully, those players were carefully chosen. Like from every town there can be only one operator. So even if there are several operators in that list, none of them are competing against each other!! Jus recently they've added other operators, but somehow their subscriber bases are irrelevant... ok in kerala there are airtel, bpl, escortel, bsnl and relianceexcept for bsnl and reliance all the others are supported by rediff in yahoo airtel and escortel are supported by yahoo. i think someone said bpl is also supporting yahoo. but they r not mentioned on the site Well here again, sunil, DAPO users r in the minimum, so its not really significant. As far as the charges go, thts where the inter-operatibility agreements come into picture, and in such cases, its not really the fees, its like getting Reliance customers hitting Yahoo! links... Its really the hits on their domain, which in turn would get them more sponsors to advt on Yahoo automatically, looking at the 7-8mn Reliance customer base. Thts how they look at it... They may give Rel this facility free too. Reliance is smart at getting their way out. We've experienced their marketing managers in bombay over such issues first handedly...! ok even if dapo users are minimum they would be using the facility most. thats why they wont want to give it free. and ad revenue is not much of a revenue these days. these days every internet co. tries to get revenue from the service itself. btw hits from mobile wont count with advts. coz they r not getting much advts that way i have tried to clear what i have said earlier. i hope this clears the doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashokjp 15 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 ok in kerala there are airtel, bpl, escortel, bsnl and relianceexcept for bsnl and reliance all the others are supported by rediff in yahoo airtel and escortel are supported by yahoo. i think someone said bpl is also supporting yahoo. but they r not mentioned on the site In kerala from BPL you can connect to MSN and Yahoo by smsing to no: "4000" For ppl with its Wiz32k sim card, this service is listed in the WIZ menu The charge is Rs. 2/sms(outgoing) Its also listed here in their site as miMessenger.. but in a wague manner... Hope i am not going out of the topic.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 R u sure that hutch charges for incoming sms from msn?? Its against the spirit of smsing I think. Yeps absolutely sure, my frenz using ORANGE(Mumbai) have got an SMS from their operators saying tht they shall be now charged for every SMS recd via MSN at the prevailing outgoin SMS rate. u can confirm with ur regional Hutch Cust. Care. in yahoo airtel and escortel are supported by yahooYeps, as i said very recently more operators have been added. Earlier it was jus HUTCH, Orange, Escotel and i think Guj's Commander(i dont rem the name correctly)... It was like a service real exclusive for Orange customers in mumbai. And loads of ppl signed onto Orange prepaid becoz of this service. Its very similar to how we have R-World exclusive for us. The charge is Rs. 2/sms(outgoing) Now since Yahoo n MSN are charging for their services, they have obviously roped in more operators. And the operators have coolly passed on the cost to the customers ok even if dapo users are minimum they would be using the facility most. thats why they wont want to give it freeOh lets not talk abt tht... coz obviously DAPO users would be using it the most. Being a DAPO user i send atleast abt 1500-2000 msgs a month making it sure to use Club priveledges! ad revenue is not much of a revenue these days. these days every internet co. tries to get revenue from the service itself. btw hits from mobile wont count with advts. coz they r not getting much advts that way how can u forget that the advt industry is the most booming industry at the moment! Even non-profit organisations like political parties r spending heavy amts on these!! hehe.. And u shud really note the way these SMS carry advts at the end, tht u send via Yahoo,MSN in those limited 160 characters! They know how to do it...! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 i accept advt is very profitable industry. i would know, coz i have studied advting. at least in degree level. but what im talking bout is advt on websites wont cover its cost even minutely. i dont know the advt rate for websites. but however big their volume is still the penitration is very low. coz only a very minor amt of ppl use net. and among those many dont even check the ads. and those who check might not even click them and those who do click wont generate much money coz credit card penitration and usage is very low in india. but im getting offtopic here. coz ad is not the intention of yahoo or rediff. their aim is to increase the usage. however they can. and when users pay Re1 per sms thats actually increasing their revenue. coz in real world sending an sms is not that costly. its comes to less than .005 paise per sms. but that is including the cost of software and all such things. for yahoo and all it wont come to even that much. so while they r not making much money from their email and other services coz most of the users use free only, and they get money from advts, they r trying to make it up by using sms facility. it will increase the brand value too. im not against them chraging money. they need the money to survive. but they should chrage it from the service providers. coz they r taking in too much from sms. in fact i think that service providers should provide sms facility at Re.1 or lower without any extra charge, what ever the service maybe. and that should include foreign sms too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted March 4, 2004 i think that service providers should provide sms facility at Re.1 or lower without any extra charge, what ever the service maybe. and that should include foreign sms too. And tht shud include DAPO too?? hehe... the day it happens, crores of DAPO users will be up in arms and u'll find them writing here at the forum abt the "huge" increase in SMS rates...! lol.. Whtever, am sincerely awaiting the Yahoo Messenger Service on Rel via SMS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 5, 2004 no way. DAPO users were promised free sms and it should stand. but even if they provide free sms they dont stand to lose much. or else they could even make it very cheap. like 50 ps or something like that. but they have to stand by their promises. ie. dapo users get free sms. they cant change that. well i am also waiting for it to happen. i guess we were going way offtopic. anyway i hope we can get back to the thread. and discuss what we can do to make it possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arun 795 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 Since TATA has signed up with Yahoo!, I don't think Reliance will keep themselves off from Yahoo!. It will only encourage Reliance to tie with Yahoo! . It has been the case with other operators as well, as pointed out by Sunil. Maybe DAPO users could be charged for 8242 services (Yahoo!), but not sure. Also, 8242 isn't listed in the 'Coming Soon' part of SMS 1234 services page. So it may take some more time for the signing up to take place. When I enquired about it with a Customer Care Representative, they said such a service 'may be started in future but no developments are taking place in that front at the moment'. MSN integraton would also be great. I hope Reliance will soon tie up with them too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 i dont think 8242 yahoo service would be charged for dapo users. coz when i got info about 1234 service i asked bout it at web world and they told me that any sms send to india wont be charged... and yahoo has its sms server in india... so they cant charge us for that... if they do then we can ask why they r charging for it while they r not doing so for 1234. they would say that its because yahoo wants money... but we can say its not ethical because of their contractual obligation. and since they hadnt charged for 1234 when they started it, but they charged for other users i think,..... they cant charge a similar service, just becuase the operator is asking for money.. reliance had assured us free sms in india for 3 years and it has to stand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted March 7, 2004 reliance had assured us free sms in india for 3 years and it has to stand didn't Ashok point out somewhere, tht we have "Domestic SMS" free for three yrs! Anyways, doesn't really matter till the service is good. I feel, the day Reliance ties up with Yahoo or MSN, it'll be one of the biggest events for reliance customers using Internet !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bineeshav 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 Hi when i tried to register mobile (prepaid motorola ) on yahoo messenger it shows thet the number is invalid normaly these servies r sms based ie.we get instant mesages as sms and our messages going as sms and hence sms charges are applicable. Anyway i need this feature........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunil_jok 2 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 well reliance is not yet available on yahoo. but im sure it will soon be available... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niket 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 but im sure it will soon be available... im not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
niket 0 Report post Posted March 8, 2004 even in R-Surf rediff works but yahoo not. always get an error. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dextrus 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2004 Hi, Friends Anybudy noticed that in Yahoo Messenger after u login go to login > login to mobile device mobile registration form will be appeared then select the country and your moblile service provider (if we select India, there has been given reliance india in serviece provider list) and then click continue. It will ask for Device type and Device Name and click next and then It will ask for your mobile no. with STD code. As we written our full mobile no. and click next there is some error occured (Error: The phone number you entered does not belong to the Service Provider you have chosen. ). Why in yahoo messenger does not registered our mobile? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dextrus 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2004 Hi, Ashwin I had already tried via R-World. But there always I got some ERROR : "UNABLE FEATCH RESPONSE". Therefore I had gone thorough YM online. And there is also some problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashokjp 15 Report post Posted March 26, 2004 I am not able to access Yahoo Messenger from an wap emulator too.. Guess its the problem with yahoo.. Anybody got anymore info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parag16us 0 Report post Posted March 28, 2004 when i m ofline in yahoo messanger can i get message from other person to rim ? this service provided in most of mobile by yahoo messanger, why not to rim prepaid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted April 3, 2004 Well guys, seems tht YAHOO IM has been delisted from MAIL & CHAT at R-Surf... Now how do i locate YAHOO Messenger at Surf?? I tried the URL http://im.yahoo.com didn't work...! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gdi123 0 Report post Posted April 3, 2004 try http://mm.yahoo.com this should work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toocoolguy2 0 Report post Posted April 6, 2004 Hey guys..it has been ages since i had used yahoo messenger on my RIM:( I have been in touch with all my pals using yahoo messenger on R World..but it seems not working these days..can anyone help me out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaplish 0 Report post Posted April 10, 2004 (edited) Yeah..... Yahoo messenger in R-World has been closed from past month coz Reliance has tied up with Rediff as u can use (****)Rediffbol Messenger Edited April 10, 2004 by Ashokjp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
