Bsnl/mtnl May Have To Share Infrastructure

[SexyGurl 0]

ok ... have fun using DSL.

I am happy with wireless internet access @home, and broadband at webworld.

[linuxguy 0]

i assume you are using Rconnect for wireless internet connection, right? And webworlds can never replace your place and your PC! Working from the comfort of your home is something different. And for people like me who earn over the internet, going to WWs isn't an option!

[SexyGurl 0]

So, BSNL & MTNL are already providing DSL for people like you.

I am NOT against DSL as a technology ... or if it makes sense commercially for BSNL or for users like you ... It's abosutely GREAT.

Do it by all means.

Just that, the fuss that just by letting private operators use BSNL local loops is going to have a dramatic effect, is illusion.

The effect is so tiny, that none of the telecom players really demanded the access.

It's Baijal who's so fond of it .... that he's been pushing. And I don't see the logic there.

I really don't have internet access at home right now (use office) ... and neither am i crazy about wireless internet only.

(it actually is costly right now). I'd probably use MTNL dial-up, at home, when I do.

MY EMPHASIS ON WIRELESS SOLELY BECAUSE "MOST" INDIANS DON'T HAVE COPPER LAID TO THEIR HOUSE. ONLY SOLUTION FOR THEM IS WIRELESS.

AND ONLY WIRELESS HAS POTENTIAL TO CAUSE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN INTERNET PENETRATION (IN INDIA).

NEITHER DIAL-UP INTERNET NOR DSL CAN HAVE THAT LARGE AN IMPACT.

(and for Broadband, the huge amount people will have to use webworld/PCO type shared service).

Edited November 19, 2005 by SexyGurl

[linuxguy 0]

hey, calm down there. wireless still needs cables laid out. Its not completely wireless like VSAT! But yes its faster to setup then wired access. But for that you need competition in broadband sector! Which isnt there right now. So, first comes the competition then comes the expansion!

[adwait 0]

You are talking about broadband in villages, I am talkin about broadband in cities, and in cities almost everyone has copper wires coming to their place.

[abhay 0]

Govt rejects opening of last mile

Government on Tuesday rejected two most repeated demands of the private telecom industry by saying no to opening the last mile access of BSNL and MTNL and any sharing of their infrastructure by private players.

"If the state is not in the business of telecom, then their infrastructure can be shared and given to private players but in this case, the state is in the business and they are not in a social service segment.. we want you (private players) not only to build, help to build but also to build yourself too.. Do not try to use other's assets before you point a finger towards others ask yourself what you have done," Telecom Minister Dayanidhi Maran said here at the Indian Economic Summit.

This puts to rest any consideration of the Government to allow sharing of BSNL and MTNL's infrastructure in rural areas by private players.

On another often repeated demand of unbundling of last mile access by the PSUs by private players for broadband push in the country which Maran also rejected.

"There is no necessity to unbundle. We are doing very well and I am quite happy with the progress.. Maran said adding BSNL has done 2.5 lakh and MTNL one lakh in terms of broadband connections and from the peak price of Rs 5000, today BSNL and MTNL's connections are available at Rs 250 and Rs 199 respectively.

"Last year when I announced the broadband policies I made it very clear that the government is not for unbundling the last mile and countries had done so have taken it back, and there there is 100 per cent copper penetration. Our copper is 4.75 per cent", he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1312194.cms

Vetoes plan to unlock last-mile access for broadband

Union communications minister Dayanidhi Maran has rejected recommendations of a DoT committee on unbundling of last-mile access of BSNL and MTNL for private operators for providing broadband services.

The minister also said the DoT will ask TRAI to collect access deficit charge (ADC) on revenue-share basis instead of the existing per minute basis.

If ADC is collected on a revenue-share basis and is applicable to long-distance and local calls, then the long-distance tariffs, especially ISD tariffs, may come down.

On unbundling of last mile access of BSNL and MTNL Mr Maran said the government wants private operators to build their own networks.

“If the state is not in the business of telecom, then their infrastructure can be shared and given to private players but in this case, the state is in the business and they are not in a social service segment,” said Mr Maran at the Indian Economic Summit.

He also said both MTNL and BSNL are doing very well and there is no necessity to unbundle. “BSNL has done 2.5 lakh and MTNL one lakh in terms of broadband connections and from the peak price of Rs 5,000, today BSNL and MTNL’s connections are available at Rs 250 and Rs 199 respectively,” said Mr Maran.

Reliance, Bharti and Tata Teleservices want DoT to allow them to use BSNL and MTNL’s last mile network for providing broadba-nd services. BSNL and MTNL account for more than 90% of India’s fixed line subscriber base.

Mr Maran also said ADC should be on revenue share basis. ADC is a levy on private players for compensating BSNL for its unprofitable operations. It is currently collected on per call basis. ADC component on incoming ISD calls, which accounts for nearly Rs 2,000 crore of the total Rs 5,000 crore to BSNL, would be a major issue to tackle in the revenue-share based ADC.

TRAI in its consultation paper on ADC had mooted a shift to revenue-share based ADC last year and BSNL had opposed such a move fearing reduction in amount. But revenue-share as a method of collection will lead to lesser impact of the levy on call charges as it will be calculated on the total revenue than on every call.

Currently, the ADC is Rs 4.25 on incoming ISD calls and Rs 2.50 on outgoing calls. The exact impact of the proposed formula will depend on how TRAI implements revenue-sharing. If revenue sharing is only on ISD and STD calls, then there will not be any impact on tariffs

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articl...514,curpg-1.cms

[Chirag 5]

ADC !! They really know how to dilute the whole thing! At the end, if the consumer is not benefitted and only the Operators get the best of it, then why the whole fuss! Operators were all this while, pushing the ADC down the throat of the consumer! So theres no point crying foul if the consumer is not getting benefitted!

[linuxguy 0]

Govt rejects opening of last mile

Government on Tuesday rejected two most repeated demands of the private telecom industry by saying no to opening the last mile access of BSNL and MTNL and any sharing of their infrastructure by private players.

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This puts to rest any consideration of the Government to allow sharing of BSNL and MTNL's infrastructure in rural areas by private players.

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"There is no necessity to unbundle. We are doing very well and I am quite happy with the progress.. Maran said adding BSNL has done 2.5 lakh and MTNL one lakh in terms of broadband connections and from the peak price of Rs 5000, today BSNL and MTNL's connections are available at Rs 250 and Rs 199 respectively.

"Last year when I announced the broadband policies I made it very clear that the government is not for unbundling the last mile and countries had done so have taken it back, and there there is 100 per cent copper penetration. Our copper is 4.75 per cent", he said.

WTF?!!!! Yes. that is a HUGE WTF. Down with Maran!! ******!!!

All hopes of broadband are down the drain! And why the HELL does he want 100% copper penetration when all countries are now moving to OFC?!! By the time we weave 100% copper in the HUGE country, everyone would've moved to something MUCH better. India is going to remain a f*cking 3rd World backward country with ministers like these!

Edited December 1, 2005 by linuxguy

[abhay 0]

yup with this move either pvt players will shift to WIRELESS

or build up their own infra <-- which is pretty prettty expensive

Edited December 1, 2005 by abhay

[linuxguy 0]

If thats the case then I am with SexyGurl for OFCs! We want private players to lay OFCs and kick some BSNL A$$!!! :|

[abhay 0]

whateva the TECH is used thats upto the pvt companies to deside but i know one thing for sure

its gonna take a long long time before every company has their own network!

and if my assumptions go right min 1.5 - 2+ yrs time for a a decent city wide rollout for mumbai if they choose to have OFC's as their mode of last-mile

[linuxguy 0]

yeah. But thats not it. It's if companies have huge amount of capital to invest. OFCs are very costly. And they need to get digging permissions. Seeing how the govt. and BSNL/MTNL are hand in glove I dont think Airtel, Reliance will get digging orders easily! So its all advantage BSNL and MTNL... Talk about govt. being an impartial body. They are further fuelling monopoly. And I think they forced VSNL to reduce the tarrif just because TATA owns it now. If it were a PSU then I am quite sure they would've doubled or even trippled their tarrifs!

We are not going anywhere!

Edited December 3, 2005 by linuxguy

[SexyGurl 0]

I know in Pune, some localities have been connected by Reliance by OFC ... and on a test basis they are getting IPTV .... tonnes of video content (and entirely free for now, because it's under test).

Still I think 3-4 years is a more decent time line for bulk of the households in Delhi / Mumbai type cities to get OFC to their homes. And Kanpur, Jaipur types, probably 5 years.

If reliance launches Netway by March 2006 .... it really means commercial properties, will be getting OFC access (eg. Buildings in the Connaught Place, Kasturba Gandhi Marg, Barakhamba road , Nehru Place, Karol Bagh etc. ... I mean those in Delhi). Common-man's households (even in Delhi / Mumbai) will still take 3-4 years.

But you're quite ambitious (by WORLD STANDARDS), if you want OFC to your home rightaway .... that kind of thing exists only in 2 countries in the world today: South Korea and Japan.

Neither European homes nor US homes have that privelege at large. (remember USA is not just New York or San Jose) .... bulk of USA is still not on OFC. (and even they will take atleast 1-3 years).

Sirs, but first you should worry about "common households" in India, to be able to BUY A PC .. and then worry about broadband.

It's the PC which has be more ubiquitous (atleast like a mobile phone) .... before it becomes worthwhile to get broadband there.

A huge value-add from the net is easily accessible via dial-up or Wireless based Internet.

You guys are clearly quite away from "common households" if all you are interested in is heavy downloads or videos over the net. "common households" in India don't have simple email access right now. Quite foolish to talk about "getting access rights to lay OFC to such households".

[abhay 0]

yeah. But thats not it. It's if companies have huge amount of capital to invest. OFCs are very costly. And they need to get digging permissions. Seeing how the govt. and BSNL/MTNL are hand in glove I dont think Airtel, Reliance will get digging orders easily! So its all advantage BSNL and MTNL... Talk about govt. being an impartial body. They are further fuelling monopoly. And I think they forced VSNL to reduce the tarrif just because TATA owns it now. If it were a PSU then I am quite sure they would've doubled or even trippled their tarrifs!

We are not going anywhere!

49075[/snapback]

yup and the only way to earliear LASTMILE would be and is wireless

[linuxguy 0]

uh SexyGurl, I was talking about the cities (metros that too). Never mentioned the villages or other cities. These cities are in dire need of good communication infrastructure. If RIL or other communication giants haven't been able to aggressively spread their network over here then there is _no_ hope for the entire of our country.