Coming Soon: Choose Your Power Provider !

[adwait 0]

Hey poeple.....after the telecom industry guess who's going to be opening up their distribution lines for all the players.....the Power Cos! After that is done you can choose from any of the power companies available in your city, whoever offers the most competetive tarrif, so the power tarrifs are bound to come down.

Damn.....can't find a link to that article. Anyway, basically, right now they are about to implement it in 17 states for consumers who are consuming over 1 MW power.....but I guess in some time it will become available to normal consumers as well.

Edited November 19, 2005 by adwait

[linuxguy 0]

what the hell are you talking about? Power over power lines? :|

[Arun 795]

Topic splitted back. Does that mean that the power sector will be open for the private companies in 17 states ? Would be great if you could find the article !

[Chirag 5]

This was being discussed long time back.. Probably its back in news, coz its being implemented! In Mumbai, we already had a round of fights between Reliance Energy and the BEST for taking away each others consumers.... and all that crap! and yeah these consumers currently need to be using over 1MW

[adwait 0]

what the hell are you talking about? Power over power lines? :|

47329[/snapback]

The mods moved that post into the broadband over power lines post......hence I added that edit line. I tried to seach for that article, but for some wierd reason, the archives on the TOI site are upto 1st November.......Ill send the link when they update their site.

Edited November 19, 2005 by adwait

[linuxguy 0]

I still dont get the 1MW part....

[SexyGurl 0]

Introducing competition in retail power distribution is much much more complicated than telecom. (or atleast wireless telecom).

Retail power distribution is really .... "natural monopoly" !

Regulation is necessary.

Whatever the solution be ... power sector in India is the crappiest of all.

I am not sure, if it's best to fix the retail side first (... that people pay for the power they use) .... or just let private players produce power and sell to big users, edging out the SEBs out of their profitable big customers (Industries etc.). But this should be considered atleast.

Otherwise, it seems very difficult to make an investment case for private producers to invest in power sector. And SEBs are in no position to commit offtake of power produced (their shabby financial state).

eg. Dabhol should've been allowed to sell power to anyone and everyone (whoever it can find), at a price of it's choice (or the customer's choice) .... but NO purchase guarantees from MSEB, state govt. or central govt.

Edited November 19, 2005 by SexyGurl

[adwait 0]

I still dont get the 1MW part....

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People using over 1 MW power = Small scale Industrial Users

[adforsaj 0]

Very Good Topic start by adwait : thanks.

Very Good answer by sexygurl : Appreciatable.

Keep Writing, more discussion awaited.

Edited November 20, 2005 by adforsaj

[linuxguy 0]

Hopefully, private players will bring in better efficiency to this sector!

[Utsav 0]

Which states are going to have it and who are the operators?

[adwait 0]

I think its going to be implemented in almost all states excluding the north eastern states.

Well, the coming of competetion might induce a better power supply scenario because we already have priavte players in Mumbai (Reliance and Tata) but the service isn't all the great. Ofcourse we get uninterrupted power supply which is much more than what can be said for the rest of the country but the billing is pretty much steep........I am hoping competation will remedy that.

[SexyGurl 0]

Ya, in Delhi as well Reliance & Tata haven't done much to write home about .... but well that's the retail distribution part.

(a separate problem).

A bigger problem is attracting investment into Power Production in the first place. Reliance Energy drummed up big hoo-hulla for Dabri power plant ... but it's hardly seen moving ahead.

Apart from building the financial case for a setting up power plants ... another big problem facing the sector is the LACK OF FUEL.

THERE IS NO COAL !!!!

NO GAS !!!

NO URANIUM !!!

NOT MUCH HYDEL POWER POTENTIAL !!!

India is easily heading for an ENERGY NIGHTMARE.

In my view, this sector faces problems substantially greater than other infrastructure.

Telecom: probably the only sunrise sector, where hopes are highest. The only sector which could claim above average marks.

Roads: NHAI led Golden Quadrilateral & N-S, E-W corridors have sure made some progress .. though hardly anything dramatic. Probably, average performance.

Airlines: Next best to telecom. Private operators have done well to boost traffic, bring down fares ... but airports are already hitting capacity. Fresh investment feasible, but has plenty of hurdles.

POWER: COMPLETE CR*P. You have Dabhol to show for an Example. Dabri is another Example.

Low coal stocks across NTPC, SEB plants across the country is showing.

POWER IS ARGUABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL THE SECTORS .... and unfortunately has the WORST Report Card.

Edited November 21, 2005 by SexyGurl

[adwait 0]

Definitely...in Maharashtra there is an accute shortage of power everywhere. Most of the state (excluding mumbai) is experiencing load shedding for 2-3 hours everyday. The power plants are not running at full capacity due to lack of fuel, and another major source of power ie: Dabhol power plant is lying shut because a whole lot of problems. They have decided to start that plant again, but it will atleast take 2 more years, which time the power consumption will have increased a lot.

[linuxguy 0]

Apart from building the financial case for a setting up power plants ... another big problem facing the sector is the LACK OF FUEL.

THERE IS NO COAL !!!!

NO GAS !!!

NO URANIUM !!!

NOT MUCH HYDEL POWER POTENTIAL !!!

India is easily heading for an ENERGY NIGHTMARE.

First of all, we are much better off than the rest of the country. We have virtually 100% electric supply.

Now, with regards to the fuel. I distinctly remember our own "DoorDarshan" mentioning in a news report that Maharashtra wouldn't be facing an energy crisis if it would've just listened to a Japanese report. What did that report say? It said that maharashtra ALONE had an unxploited potential of 75000MEGAWATTS of electric power through hydro-electric projects. While Maharashtra (or was it Mumbai?) is suffering a electricity shortage of only 2000-3000MW of energy!

Imagine 75000MW of CLEAN energy!

[SexyGurl 0]

Ok. give 3 sites, where 1000 MW plus Hydel power plants could be set up in Maharashtra !!!

And further u know the trouble with hydel power: they often needs large areas to be submerged .... you've heard of Sardar Sarovar (narmada) & Tehri !!!

Only nuclear power, coal or natural gas can provide large amounts of power.

We have none -- imports aren't that cheap.

Power from Thorium is atleast 40 years away .... or under real miracle, 25 years away !

That's why it's IMPORTANT for us that URANIUM IMPORTS become a feasible option for us. The India-US nuclear treaty is VERY IMPORTANT. The bad news is ... it's seems to be lapsing.

China, off course has a ton of reasons to oppose the deal. But an energy-deficit India if DEFINITELY NOT GOOD NEWS FOR THE WORLD.

We'll end up selling SOFTWARE & BPO SERVICES and buying up HUGE AMOUNTS OF NATURAL GAS (OR CRUDE OIL) ... till we can pull it.

It's in WORLD'S INTEREST to open up URANIUM MARKETS to India (.... China is a notable exception. If off course, gains little by letting India access to cheap energy).

USA, EUROPE, RUSSIA, rest of world ... ALL GAIN.

The silly US Congress doesn't see it. Silly People.

[linuxguy 0]

Uh...buddy, are you questioning the JAPANESE? These are the people who created an entire ISLAND to make an airport. Why? Just cuz they were short on land. So if they say 75000MW projects are feasible then they are. You or I aren't qualified or experienced enough OR rich enough to question their report.