KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 (edited) Hi, My bike got stolen from one of the Mall in new bombay......I just went to have pizza and i returned in 20mins... and I saw my bike missing from the place were i parked it... Straight away I went to Police Station to inform them......... I found no one was intrested in listening to me........ Any how i spoke to one constable, and he said "Sahab udhar baithe hain unse baath karo" (Our senior is there speak to him) I went to that Sr. Fellow, Rudely he replied "Stand Out........." I kept calm ... then after 20-30 mins i again went inside to give my FIR.. but none of them was intrested in writting it down......... I was told to wait for 2 days and then come down for FIR.. I returned them after 2 days and i got the reply Sahab Chooti pe hain.. wo hi FIR lenge....... I again went next day, I got the reply.. Sahab ka night shift hain.. I spoke to one of the Sr. Inspector about it and he started saying that unka jab shift hoga tabhi tum aao....and all "everything rudely" I staright away went to his Sr. and spoke to him ... and finally after requesting to him My FIR Was Lodged........ Edited January 26, 2006 by kalyan_prince Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supernova 47 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 mine exp r st. - i always do what they want -- bribe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theking 35 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 Come on man....first everyone shouts bout corruption and then u r talking bout bribes out!!..Stop that mate....PLEASE... Hope they had a customer care, a retention team and above all the Chariman's Office! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supernova 47 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 dear theking good to know u too have values . but then sometimes u dont have time . see mohsin case . had he given rs.50 , he wud have saved himself from nightmare of lodging f.i.r no i dont advocate bribery . sometimes in nowadays busy life it just becomes necessary. but whatever may be the excuse i also personally feel we are only creating more problems by paying them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashoksoft 83 Report post Posted January 26, 2006 Best thing ... call an ACB chap with u ... and then bribe the a** u can get the cop screwed for life Cheers Ashok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adwait 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 No way! Why should we give the b*****d money to do what he is already paid by the government to do?? If people stop bribing, they will stop expecting them and get to work instead of stalling it this way in order to extract a bribe. dear theking good to know u too have values . but then sometimes u dont have time . see mohsin case . had he given rs.50 , he wud have saved himself from nightmare of lodging f.i.r no i dont advocate bribery . sometimes in nowadays busy life it just becomes necessary. but whatever may be the excuse i also personally feel we are only creating more problems by paying them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ani_meher 42 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 No way! Why should we give the b*****d money to do what he is already paid by the government to do?? If people stop bribing, they will stop expecting them and get to work instead of stalling it this way in order to extract a bribe. dear theking good to know u too have values . but then sometimes u dont have time . see mohsin case . had he given rs.50 , he wud have saved himself from nightmare of lodging f.i.r no i dont advocate bribery . sometimes in nowadays busy life it just becomes necessary. but whatever may be the excuse i also personally feel we are only creating more problems by paying them. Even I agree with supernova. I know it's not legel, or even ethical, but sadly, that's the way it is. Imagine yourself in shoes of kalyan_prince, who has lost his valuable belonging, and the Police is not even filing a FIR, which is their duty. Today, the police really works on the money man. Love it or hate it, but you can get a lot of things done from Police all legally, if you go thru right channels. Sad, but true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ashoksoft 83 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 yeps.. in a sense that is true. some time ago (rather 2 years ago) i had a similar experience. when my brand new racing cycle was stolen, and i had gone to Antop Hill Police station to file an FIR, the hawaldar told me at first stance itself "Arre bhai, bade saab ka gaadi do din pehele hi chori hua hai, aap ka cycle kho gaya, isme kaun si badi baat hai... bhool jao aur naya kharid lo" - Wow ! Just the consolation u will need when u loose something! Case 2 : Police verification comes to our house for passport verification .. (About 6 months ago.. After meeting us, and looking at some proof of Identity / address etc, Cop 1 : "The "FEES" will be Rs.2500/- Mr. Karkera" Dad : "But there is no charge for a Passport verification" Cop 2 : "If the fees are not paid, you may have to wait for another year for getting the clearance" ------ Moral : Forget the cops moral values ... just live with it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manishag 17 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 bribe is unethical. But think about the cop and his responsibilities with his familiy and others and the salary that he gets from the government. I had experience when i lost my Credit Card and ATM card in Delhi. i went to the police station and asked them to log my FIR so that i can cancel my ATM card and get new ATM issued. they didn't created any peoblem. they simply signed the report and gave the copy and didn't asked even for single penny. finaly i gave him Rs 50 at my own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amtrag 20 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 bribe is unethical. But think about the cop and his responsibilities with his familiy and others and the salary that he gets from the government. This is exactly the point I was coming to... They are supposed to survive on a meagre salary (equivalent to grade IV govt employee). I don't think their salaries are even into 5 digit figures... . And just imagine their working conditions...normally no weekly offs, 12-18 hours duties, working in most adverse and even life-threatening conditions, all this in times when ae are talking of our own salaries running into several lakhs per annum. Yeah, I started at a salary that was more than what my father (he's an engineer) was earning at a good position. In such a scenario..I mean, when avg incomes have simply sky-rocketed thru' the last few years, are'nt they supposed to be paid a little better? And just imagine the frustration the face...no promotions (in a real sense), not much hike in salaries (unlike us who simply jump jobs at 1.5 to 2 times current ctc). I feel, the root of the problem runs much deeper than simply a case of "To or Not To" bribe Rs.50. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ani_meher 42 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 I think this is just justifying the taking of bribes. How can you justify the bribes taken from each hawker and shop? You can say the police is serving the noble cause 'Live n let live'. We bribe, because they do not do the work that is supposed to be their duty. Why should a simple matter such as taking down the FIR should take so many days? i am sure after so many days, that policeman must have realised he couldn't get any money out of Kalyan, and filed his FIR. Justifying the bribes is just too much. Even the policewala will not have guts for that. And if they do have such tight budgets that their monthly expenses are covered from this 'extra' income, why don't they find some other way instead of looting innocent public? There was an incidence a few months back. A girl was eve-teased on Kandivali station. She filed a complaint in Railways (I know Railway n state police is different, but still). After a few days, the buggers once again tried their hands on the same girl. Unfortunately, that girl was knowing Karate ( a black belt, if I am not mistaking). She somehow captured one thug, when they were trying to throw acid on her. She dragged him to the police. N what did the noble police do? they let go of the thug, and made her sit in the police station upto 10 in night. Then she started receiving calls from those thugs, that we will take badla n all. She complained again, but the reply was " complaint karna aapka kaam hai, unhe pakadna hamara. Use 10 din lag sakte hai, 10 mahine ya 10 saal." This is not some made up story, but there was an article on this girl in famous marathi newspaper "Loksatta" a few months back. Pls guys, don't glorify a bad deed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amtrag 20 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 Well, I am not at all in favour of nor am I glorifying a bad deed. But what you said is too superficial..and I am indicating too a problem that runs much deeper than just plain black & white ...good or bad. What i am trying to say is not that given the conditions of the policemen, it is justified for them to take bribe...but what are the real problems that compel a policeman to take bribes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manishag 17 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 At least we can implement the bribe system like in china. In china if you have to workdone before time then you hav eto pay bribe. One part goes to govenrment account one part goes to all staff members and the last part goes into the pocket the dealing employee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theking 35 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 Come on guys....A person becomes what he is deserved to be...The police havaldar is there based on his instincts....That does not justify asking for anything just cause he is getting a crap salary... Which century is this ??? there is a paged forum justifing bribes? Stop following the taciturned jungle law man.... A person is not only what he thinks he is but also what you think he thinks he is.........Any cop out here?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanveer 59 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 there is no end to such problems in our country but then if we have to live here we have to find the solutions as well. All the benefits and best salaries go to the beureaucrats and politicians in our country. The service class in the public sector gets poor salaries in comparison, but I dont think it gives them the right to demand bribes on this pretext. I can not suggest a solution, neither I take a firm stand on these things. There have been times when I have paid bribes as it was the easier way out, at other times, I have stood my ground and refused to pay a penny though it has landed me in far deeper ****. At times you feel as if this whole system is planned to conspire against an educated, average middle class working person in each and every way. The feeling is so sickening! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chirag 5 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 (edited) Anybody checked out RANG DE BASANTI? Before continuing on this thread, i'd "request" you to watch that movie and come back here. You'll feel the difference in yourself! Edited January 27, 2006 by Chirag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abhay 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 <little_out_of_the_topic_but_u_started_it>yup did watch it yesterday MAN i think its the best bollywood movie ever MADE absolutly amazing movie , story, acting and every thing about this movie was flawless!! how did u find the movie chirag ?? </little_out_of_the_topic_but_u_started_it> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imvikky 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 bribe is unethical. But think about the cop and his responsibilities with his familiy and others and the salary that he gets from the government. This is exactly the point I was coming to... They are supposed to survive on a meagre salary (equivalent to grade IV govt employee). I don't think their salaries are even into 5 digit figures... . And just imagine their working conditions...normally no weekly offs, 12-18 hours duties, working in most adverse and even life-threatening conditions, all this in times when ae are talking of our own salaries running into several lakhs per annum. Yeah, I started at a salary that was more than what my father (he's an engineer) was earning at a good position. In such a scenario..I mean, when avg incomes have simply sky-rocketed thru' the last few years, are'nt they supposed to be paid a little better? And just imagine the frustration the face...no promotions (in a real sense), not much hike in salaries (unlike us who simply jump jobs at 1.5 to 2 times current ctc). I feel, the root of the problem runs much deeper than simply a case of "To or Not To" bribe Rs.50. Hey @amtrag... You'll be shocked to know that the four digit salaries you are refering to... are sold of to the required candidates for lakhs... and a ASI's unofficial income runs in double digits lakhs or single digit crores by the time he is thru with six-seven years in a big metro city... Forget your salary in front of his salary and what fifty rupees you are talking about is nothing... This is your tip to him... The day you sre stuck with police and they ask you for bribe then your one years salary is his one day's tip... Note:-Its very simple for him to find such ppl cos thats what govt pays him for... Well, I am not at all in favour of nor am I glorifying a bad deed. But what you said is too superficial..and I am indicating too a problem that runs much deeper than just plain black & white ...good or bad.What i am trying to say is not that given the conditions of the policemen, it is justified for them to take bribe...but what are the real problems that compel a policeman to take bribes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanveer 59 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 (edited) Anybody checked out RANG DE BASANTI? Before continuing on this thread, i'd "request" you to watch that movie and come back here. You'll feel the difference in yourself! I did. was really one hell of a movie i have watched in recent times. Thats why I said since I have to live here, I have to find the solutions to my problems rather our problems! Edited January 27, 2006 by tanveer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ani_meher 42 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 .... But what you said is too superficial.. And what does that mean? This story is NOT a made up story. i can give proofs if needed. I am sure I'll find that day's newspaper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imvikky 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 Anybody checked out RANG DE BASANTI? Before continuing on this thread, i'd "request" you to watch that movie and come back here. You'll feel the difference in yourself! Even I loved the movie... I know even I m out of topic but last nyt i wanted to start a thread on the movies too.... Anyways merging my off topic msg to the topic... V were at a theatre to watch this movie and as usual black ticketing was on and here comes a cop to the guy selling off black tickets... Cop: I want tickets Guy: 100 for one Cop: I m a cop... atleast give me discount Guy: Next Cop takes out his I-Card in front of the Black ticketeer(or whatever hi is called) and then takes a discount of 50 bucks to watch a movie(Ironically a movie like 'Rang De') Anyways this incident would open your eyes about how much these guys are scared of police nowadays. Police is like a scarecrow...which is so useless that all the crows are shi***g on top of it only... and so it has started scaring decent citizens... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theking 35 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 Man..u should have told that u r from the anti corruption and should have taken the ticket from the cop for free!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsanghrajka 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2006 Hi, My bike got stolen from one of the Mall in new bombay......I just went to have pizza and i returned in 20mins... and I saw my bike missing from the place were i parked it... Straight away I went to Police Station to inform them......... I found no one was intrested in listening to me........ Any how i spoke to one constable, and he said "Sahab udhar baithe hain unse baath karo" (Our senior is there speak to him) I went to that Sr. Fellow, Rudely he replied "Stand Out........." I kept calm ... then after 20-30 mins i again went inside to give my FIR.. but none of them was intrested in writting it down......... I was told to wait for 2 days and then come down for FIR.. I returned them after 2 days and i got the reply Sahab Chooti pe hain.. wo hi FIR lenge....... I again went next day, I got the reply.. Sahab ka night shift hain.. I spoke to one of the Sr. Inspector about it and he started saying that unka jab shift hoga tabhi tum aao....and all "everything rudely" I staright away went to his Sr. and spoke to him ... and finally after requesting to him My FIR Was Lodged........ hey buddy.. i feel sorry to learn that ur bike was stolen n have gone through this emotional trauma n stress coz of our mumbai poilce...wht i suggest u is to complain abt those officials n abt their behaviour....jus log on to http://www.mumbaipolice.org .. u can jus email higher officaials...may b they might help u.. neways best of luck for tha same... Pls guys, don't glorify a bad deed. i totally agree wit u ani_meher... cmon guys i understand bribing sometime helps.. but dont glorify tht.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amtrag 20 Report post Posted January 28, 2006 .... But what you said is too superficial.. And what does that mean? This story is NOT a made up story. i can give proofs if needed. I am sure I'll find that day's newspaper. And I also have true stories...am sure you all would also have read in any newspaper... ...that a cop commits suicide out of depression...or a cop runs amock shooting a couple of peers...do you think they do it because someone like you or me denied him his Rs.50 bribe? No man...there IS a problem which is indeed very serious. Atleast I don't believe that cops are corrupt by birth and we techies/managers/students etc are very honest by birth... Come on guys....A person becomes what he is deserved to be...The police havaldar is there based on his instincts.... I don't agree with this kind of philosophy. It amounts to saying "to hell with you, you are in a deep s***t because you deserved it...There are millions of educated people who are simply jobless and although they might not be as intelligent & competetive as most of us here, but still they do deserve a better paying job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hfilvja 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2006 He might have complained about his missing bike to the control room at the first instance and that it self will have to be compulsarily be recorded for an FIR. Here in Vijayawada every call to control room (100 Service) is being monitored by the Higher officials (Commissioner and above)on daily basis, Quarterly, Fortnight & Montly basis which indirectly bound them to compulsarily act on behalf of complaintee. Refer http://www.article2.org/mainfile.php/0103/33/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
