KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 RUIM doesn't carry any ESN and MIN. Same with SIM doesn't carry IMEI. Bro Sadik.... These CDMA smart cards, called Removable User Identity Modules (R-UIMs), are used to hold and protect all of the subscriber’s data necessary to receive wireless services. And For the Sim.. I didn't said it has IMEI no. I said IKEI no. The SIM stores network state information such as its current Location Area Identity (LAI). If the handset is turned off and back on again it will take data off the SIM and search for the LAI it was in. This saves time by avoiding having to search the whole list of frequencies that the telephone normally would. Each SIM is uniquely identified by its ICCID (International Circuit Card ID). SIM cards identify users uniquely by holding an International Mobile Subscriber Identity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sadikk 301 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Ill still say RUIM doesn't carry any ESN and MIN. Same with SIM doesn't carry IMEI. There is nothing as such which is called IKEI, u can google it or WIKI it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Ill still say RUIM doesn't carry any ESN and MIN. Same with SIM doesn't carry IMEI. There is nothing as such which is called IKEI, u can google it or WIKI it. Sadik bhai then tell me were is ESN and MIN no. of Ruim enabled handset... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sadikk 301 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I want this answer to come from ashoksoft or kshah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prathod 3 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Sorry I am not Ashoksoft or Kshah,but I would like to confirm Kingofkalyan's claim that Ruim cards has Esn and Min,I have an old Tata Ruim reprogrammed (cdma channels) and have given the ruim's Esn to Mtnl and activated my Garuda no on that ruim,the only problem I have is I am unable to delete the prl of the Ruim(I had asked Ashoksoft if he could help me in that but he had no clue to it that time) so I have to manually disable the prl if I change the handset,I have tweaked the nokia handset to enable and disable prl using keypad. And after my esn was updated by Mtnl Garuda I had to dial *228 and I got a new min downloaded to my handset ota to my ruim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Sorry I am not Ashoksoft or Kshah,but I would like to confirm Kingofkalyan's claim that Ruim cards has Esn and Min,I have an old Tata Ruim reprogrammed (cdma channels) and have given the ruim's Esn to Mtnl and activated my Garuda no on that ruim,the only problem I have is I am unable to delete the prl of the Ruim(I had asked Ashoksoft if he could help me in that but he had no clue to it that time) so I have to manually disable the prl if I change the handset,I have tweaked the nokia handset to enable and disable prl using keypad.And after my esn was updated by Mtnl Garuda I had to dial *228 and I got a new min downloaded to my handset ota to my ruim. Thanks buddy Sadik bhai abb to mannn jao yaar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supernova 47 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 cant tell technical details . but on blank ruim only ruim(thats rsn i suppose) is mentioned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prathod 3 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) @supernova It was a prepaid tata ruim.And believe me all ruims have esn I have reliance ruims they have rsn printed on them but if u have proper reader u can edit them and even view the esn. The tata cards available nowadays dont mention the esn no on the card,but if u see the older ruims those which were red in color u could see the esn printed on them. if you search the forum here u will find many references to rsn of ruim cards,as I remember reading some of them. Edited January 4, 2007 by prathod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supernova 47 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 logically it is right ..(also tech) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Got it while googling..... From one of the FAQ's Source - http://www.cdg.org/resources/white_papers/...Y%20GEMPLUS.pdf 9) What modifications do I need in my network? None. You can use an R-UIM “out-of-the-box”. The R-UIM should be configured appropriately with the MIN, Home SID/NID, PRL, A-Key, and UIMID. The UIMID will serve as the equivalent of an ESN for subscription identification and authentication. Operators must load their HLR/AUC with corresponding UIMID values provided by Gemplus in the Output File. Input data from the operator is used to correctly provision the card during personalization. Additional services such as remote file/application management will require an OTA platform for the CDMA network. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prathod 3 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 Good link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kesav 127 Report post Posted January 4, 2007 I'll make a try to clear all your doubts. There are 3 entities in case of RUIM enabled handset. 1. Mobile equipment <Mobile> 2. Mobile station <Your subscription/Your phone number> 3. User Identification <Your RUIM card > All three has to be tied for the phone to work in network. For the above 3 entities you've 3 IDs respectively 1. MEID - Mobile Equipment IDentity <will be present only in mobile and unique> 2. MSID - Mobile station IDentity <will be in RUIM if RUIM enabled handset else programmed in mobile> 3. UIMID - User Identification Module Identifier <will be present only in RUIM> To further clarify 1.ESN is older version of MEID. IMEI<International Mobile Equipment Identifier> is GSM term for MEID. 2.MIN is older version of MSID. IMSI<International Mobile Subscriber Identity> is GSM term for MSID. 3.SIM is GSM version of RUIM Hope I've not confused you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jobinjv 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2007 well i kinda need a small help.. i donno much about this so askin.. i got nokia 6330.. a dual phone to work on both cdma n gsm.. now can i get a Ruim.. put it in the phone.. get a HCC n do the things will it work or is this jus a blunder of n idea.. pls advice joe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kesav 127 Report post Posted January 5, 2007 Nokia 6330 does not support CDMA. It supports only WCDMA which is 3G of GSM and EDGE. As for as I know there are no dual mode handsets available with nokia. Motorola A840 is dual mode and its available in TATA. Just inserting RUIM should work with any CDMA operators(Garuda/TATA/Reliance). This phone supports 900/1800 GSM also. I'm not aware in which band GSM is operational in India. If Band matches then it should work for SIM insertion too.... Somewhere I've read that TATA have disbaled the GSM operation on this phone and they'll enable only if you go for international roaming. This can be tweaked and can be made to work in Indian GSM network. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
copperco2 24 Report post Posted February 4, 2007 there was so much technical in the discussion that... made me believe that it was all very good. and again because it almost went over my head..... one thing i know for sure is that Tata SIM and Relance RUIM can work on one handset. (i am just trying to find some solace to say that 'i know something too! ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsanghrajka 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2007 what is the use of blank ruim?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingofKalyan 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 what is the use of blank ruim?? U can make it use for making handset blank........... by transfering the no. handset ----> Ruim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnuld 12 Report post Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) In Which Century manReliance now have GTRAN Nokia 6265 Nokia 2865 as RUIM Based Reliance also Provided RUIM Based Number so User can push their RUIM in any Tata Phone and Get it Work on Reliance But can you push any TATA RUIM into Reliance RUIM based handset and make it work ? 2nd, I have ZTE C335 of TATA Indicom which has a TATA RUIM in it. Can I push a Reliance RUIM in it and then live and use it happily ? 3rd, Will Reliance sell you a RUIM without any handset. Won't they say flat NO ? Edited July 25, 2008 by arnuld Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amtrag 20 Report post Posted July 25, 2008 Dear arnuld, Pl tell the answer for first 2 questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@mitJ@in 256 Report post Posted July 25, 2008 3rd, Will Reliance sell you a RUIM without any handset. Won't they say flat NO ? Buy as many as sims you want - Lifetime Prepaid Sim can be bought for Rs.299 Only. You may get Blank Sims too, But for Prices check with your vendor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amit9000 2 Report post Posted July 26, 2008 In Which Century manReliance now have GTRAN Nokia 6265 Nokia 2865 as RUIM Based Reliance also Provided RUIM Based Number so User can push their RUIM in any Tata Phone and Get it Work on Reliance But can you push any TATA RUIM into Reliance RUIM based handset and make it work ? 2nd, I have ZTE C335 of TATA Indicom which has a TATA RUIM in it. Can I push a Reliance RUIM in it and then live and use it happily ? 3rd, Will Reliance sell you a RUIM without any handset. Won't they say flat NO ? RELIANCE BLANK SIM (RSIM ) EASILY AVALIABLE IN MARKET. MRP IS 99/- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
