Vodafone bags Hutch for US$ 19.3 Billion !

[GSV13 0]

Real issue is spectrum. 2G spectrum is available free(means no bis involved) while 3g spectrum is a pricey proposition.

[HetalDP 947]

2.5 G CDMA will be left only for Voice / Low end Users user. and WCDMA will be available for #G and HIgh end users. also 8 circle of GSM of reliance we have Dual Network on their Services.

2.5 G spectrum is Free but it is Getting Scarce day by day and only 10 to 15 Mhz is left in 800 to 966 baseband so for expansion in 900 will become more and more difficult in Crowded Cities. That is the main reason why Idea, Reliance and Aircel in not Getting Spectrum in GSM in 900 for mumbai and 1800 to some 1900 is already used by Defence in Mumbai

8 Mhz is only left for CDMA PLayer for Expansion in Dense Cities. so EVDO Expansion is hurting them in 800 Mhz for CDMA Player and 1900 EVDO is Overlapping with 2.1 Ghz Upload Band. haha what a Dilema for CDMA Player. And Thus any one Player might be force to WCDMA adn We can very well visuallise Reliance Optiing for WCDMA (UMTS Universal Mobile Technology System - Generic term for WCDMA, HSDPA, HSUPA)

[copperco2 24]

Non Tech-

IT seems Essaar which was seen as a natural alley by vodafone wont be there naturally.

Was it a ploy of vodafone to make Essar comfortable with its bids...

guess so..

[kesav 127]

Future is WiMax.

3G will go nowhere and its in the process of natural death.

I feel its better for the operators in India to directly jump start WiMax instead of wasting their money and time in 3G.

By the end of this year Nokia will be rolling out WiMax phones. Intel is there to provide ships of chips. WiMax Research centre (CDAC-Alcatel joint venture) in Chennai already started the 802.16e trials in India.

What is the use 3G then?

[HetalDP 947]

WiMAX is Pure Data Connectivy on that we could have VoIP (Voice over IP). But the Technology Require Faster Processor. Better Antana. and Eats the Battery very Much.

And the Following is the Naturnal Path for 3G.

2.50 G For CDMA 1xRTT

2.75 G 1xMC (Is is the Software Upgrade to 1xRTT for multi Slot 1xRTT Data) (May not come to India)

3.00 G EVDO Rev. 0 - (700 Kb DL / 128 UL) (Single 1.25 Mhz)

3.25 G EVDO Rev. A - (3.0 Mb DL / 340 UL) (Single 1.25 Mhz)

3.50 G EVDO Rev. B - (12 Mb DL / 1.2 UL ) (3 x 1.25 Mhz) (Non Sequencial / Non Adjustnce)

4.00 G EVDO Rev. C - (27 Mb DL / 4 Mb UL) (More tan 3 Channel of 1.25 Mhz) with MIMI Tech. (Multiple Input and Multiple Output.)

2.00 G For GSM

2.50 G GPRS (56 Kbps DL)

2.75 G Enhanced GPRS / EDGE (256 K DL / 44 K UL)

3.00 G WCDMA / UMTS (386 Kb DL / 128 UL) (2 x 5 Mhz for UL and DL)

3.25 G HSDPA (3 Mb DL / 128 Kb UL)(Software Upgrade)(2 x 5 Mhz for UL and DL)

3.55 G HSUPA (3 Mb DL / 600 Kb UL)(Software Upgrade)(2 x 5 Mhz for UL and DL)

3.75 G HSPA (12 Mb DL / 2 Mb UL)(Software Upgrade)(2 x 5 Mhz for UL and DL)

4.00 G HSPA (24 Mb DL / 2 Mb UL)(Software Upgrade)(2 x 5 Mhz for UL and DL) (May be Implemented with MIMO) ??????

DL = Download UL = Upload

EVDO Rev 0 to Rev C can be achieved via SOftware Upgrade only. No Hardware have to Replaced.

WCDMA to HSPA can be Achieved via Software Upgrade only. No Hardware have to be Replaced.

As Both Technology Support Upgradation to 4G with only by Software Upgrade using same Frequency, Hardware and Passive Infrastructure. All 3G Tech will remain in use upto 2012 to 2014

Edited February 14, 2007 by hpnasik

[shashank 8]

Please donot deviate from the topic.

[copperco2 24]

We can have the discussion like this under' Future of CDMA Technology'

Dear Mods, do you think it is viable..

[Ramchi 0]

I am not a network techie but there are signals coming out that 3G in India will be waste of time. Already, BSNL is testing its ground on WiMax in all metros. What I heard was 3G is not as efficient as WiMax and in many European & Developed countries not many customers was willing to pay more for 3G services. Since providers have purchased spectrum at a very high price, most of the 3G oriented services are not affordable for the common man. Countries like India where customers are very sensitive towards price will not mind skipping 3G and prefer to go to WiMax. I will not be surprised if this happens in the future.

[HetalDP 947]

We already have 12 Crores Subscriber and only Left with 15 to 20 Mhz in Prime Band

So to cater 12 Crores People we have used almost 80 to 90 Mhz of Base Band Spectrum in 1800 Major Chunk have been used by defense. 1900 Couple with 2.1 G is Allocated to 3G.

At end of 2008 We will have at least 25 Crores Subscriber. Do we have Enough Spectrum in 2G, 2.5G, 2.7 to Services them. No GSM Spcetrum is allocated to Idea, Aircel and Reliance for All India Roll out. These 3 Company have already Applied for it. Idea and Reliance are Universal License Provider and Aircel got All India License for Mobile Tel.

There no Technology to use 2.1 Ghz for GSM or CDMA. New Devices of 2.1 for WCDMA is now at par with the cost of GSM Devices now. 3G is inevitable may be it might be use full or Not. and Governmet gonna Squeeze Operator for Spectrum Charges

[Ramchi 0]

Many people like me bought WCDMA phones thinking that our network will provide Broadband speed etc...in India. The reality is 3G will become outdated by the time it is rolledout in India. Soon we will be seeing Mobile phones with WiMax capable which will be sold in India at higher price. Again, people like me thinking ahead of the game will keep on investing futuristic premium handsets.

The reality is even for EDGE services Chennai customers are paying exhorbitant rates unlike customers from other states.

Since government is going to eat its pie in spectrum charges, operators may take more than 10 years to recover the investment. This will ensure that Indian consumers will get to see 4G, 5G etc... only on paper.

[Arun 795]

Vodafone pledges US$ 2 billion investments, low tariffs

Press Trust of India

February 14, 2007 05:50:02 PM

Vodafone has said it would invest $2 bn over the next couple of years to expand Hutch-Essar's reach in rural India, while promising cheaper mobile rates and better services to customers.

"We will try to get more rural areas covered with this investment. The money will be invested in infrastructure and various operations and for expansion of tele-density and reach to customers," Vodafone CEO Arun Sarin told reporters here on his first visit after the Hutch-Essar win.

India-born Sarin said customers can look forward to cheaper call rates, better handsets and value-added services like banking and money transfer once it enters the country.

While stating that he expects to close the deal precisely in April, Sarin said the company would retain the Hutch brand for some time and that customers would be consulted before changing the brand.

"This (Hutch-Essar) is the biggest company in the Vodafone group in terms of subscriber base," he said, commenting on Hutch-Essar, India's fourth largest mobile player with 24.4 million customers.

He said he now intends to make Hutch-Essar the country's number one player with a target of 100 million customers.

Mobile leader Bharti Airtel has over 33 million users.

Sarin, who graduated from IIT-Kharagpur, also described the deal as a homecoming. "This is what we used to talk during the IIT days."

While Vodafone had bid 11.1 billion dollars for Hong Kong-based Hutchison Telecom's (HTIL) 67 per cent stake in the mobile venture, its actual stake acquisition would be only 52 per cent as the remaining 15 per cent is held by minority Indian shareholders who have opted to continue as partners.

On Vodafone's offer to buyout the 33 per cent stakeholder Essar from the mobile venture, Sarin said his first, second and third preference would be that the Indian conglomerate should stay put. "But its their decision... my intention is to help Essar take a positive decision."

He had earlier ruled out increasing the offer for buying out Essar, saying it would be at the same price as given for Hutchison Telecom's 67 per cent stake.

If Essar decides to exit, Vodafone had other options, which includes minority shareholders increasing their stake to 26 per cent. "This is only one option. Another obvious option is that we will go with another Indian partner... its all too early to say," Sarin said.

On provisions that allow Vodafone to walk out of the deal if it gets entangled in legal conflicts for more than a year, he said: "We are here in India to stay for a long time, not to walk out... any contract has certain clauses... we intend to be here for a long time."

Sarin said Communications and IT Minister Dayanidhi Maran was very excited about Vodafone's entry into India because of the capital that the company would inject and greater telecom penetration.

Hutch-Essar Managing Director Asim Ghosh, who holds under five per cent in the venture, said that Hutch covers 40 per cent of the population in the 16 circles where it has operations.

This would increase to 45 per cent when services are up and running in all the 23 circles, he said.

On the revamping the Hutch-Essar management, Sarin said no firm decision has been taken as yet, but "my vote is with Asim Ghosh."

[abhay 0]

Hutchison Int threatens to terminate sales contract

Hutchison International has said it would terminate the sale of its stake in the Hutch Essar to British telecom major Vodafone if the FIPB conditions are not satisfied. It said the company will terminate the sale deed if FIPB conditions are nor waived within 120 days.

Meanwhile, Hutch has signed a three-year non-compete agreement with Vodafone, along with a non-poaching agreement with the British telecom major for up to six months after the sale is effected.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/bus.../article/268087

[KumaarShah 143]

So, what will happen next?

Will it be back to Hutch and not to Vodafone?

Will ADA again try to take over Hutch?

Questions, questions and questions only. No solutions in sight.

[abhay 0]

So, what will happen next?

Will it be back to Hutch and not to Vodafone?

Will ADA again try to take over Hutch?

Questions, questions and questions only. No solutions in sight.

ie IF FIPB conditions are not satisfied

[copperco2 24]

yup IF

that too in capital